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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2010, 05:40:18 AM »
I am also missing the paper tag pieces from my fabric books, but I have seen people with a complete item.  Perhaps someone could bring a book to the Spring 2011 meet of the Midwest Division so the info can be captured.

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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2010, 08:46:28 AM »
My 49 Kaiser Special--Glass Green with dark Oakwood Brown dash also has 111 interior. Much faded, it is that Sahara Tan Corundel Cord. It is a light tan colour and the Corundel is an extremely wide wale corderoy, about a quarter inch or so if memory serves. I do believe there is a paint colour Sahara Tan or Sahara Beige used in KF or Studebaker--in any case it is very close
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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2010, 08:43:27 AM »
Hope this helps!

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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2010, 01:36:44 PM »

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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2010, 10:05:40 AM »
WOW!!  Thanks for the pics!!!! I have saved those and that looks EXACTLY like the interior (111) of my 4911 49 Special along with Oakwood Brown interior paint, and exterior 215 Glass Green which is close but not exactly the same as Executive Green (170).

Would you have the 215 Glass Green card as well??

I have the OTHER interior book that covers 49 cars and interiors, mostly Deluxes and Frazers I think. Unfortunately it is missing the interior for my car. If a National is held sometime in the North East or a reasonable distance from PEI, I would bring it along for duplication or viewing...maybe even sale.
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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2010, 10:12:26 AM »
Does anyone have a Paint Code, an interior book paint chip, or the formula of Oakwood Brown, by the way?
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49 Kaiser Special Glass Green, Saskatchewan new
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64 2dr 170-6 auto Astra White Commander Special
63 4dr Wagonaire 259V8 o/d Blue
57 4dr 185-6 auto Glendale Green/Turquoise
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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2010, 09:56:20 AM »
You can get correctly mixed paint from your local PPG jobber.  If they are befudded by this, they need to contact the PPG Color Library with the K-F color and paint #.  PPG will run their master chip through the computer spectrometer which matches the color characteristics to mixes using currently available material.  There is no cost for the research, but the jobber will not give you that information.  The idea is that the jobber sells you the correctly mixed paint.

Thanks to EPA regulations (among other concerns and situations) the old formulas contain base and tint colors that have been out of production for years.

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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2010, 01:29:29 PM »
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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2010, 03:48:08 PM »
Thanks again! Given reflection etc, that does look very close to the original colour of my car, based on the non-restored under hood area with the factory production line markings on the firewall. I notice that the Corundel Cord for Glass Green is Linden Green, and the other card with the Executive Green shows the Sahaha Corundel Cord. Thinking a bit harder, I 'think' that my Corundel Cord was likely this Linden Green rather than Sahara. Hard to tell, its so faded, and its a guess what colour Linden was originally. There are all sorts of actual linden trees around here, but I doubt that LG was the colour of the leaves or flowers!
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49 Kaiser Special Glass Green, Saskatchewan new
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64 2dr 170-6 auto Astra White Commander Special
63 4dr Wagonaire 259V8 o/d Blue
57 4dr 185-6 auto Glendale Green/Turquoise
57 4dr 185-6 o/d Glendale Green/Turquoise W6 clone
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57 Stude 259V8 auto. 56 Panhard

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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2010, 08:48:32 AM »
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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2010, 01:24:23 PM »
That is it! The seats are Linden Green, not Sahara Tan. This brings up a conundrum. The tags don't quite match what my car actually is. I'm not sure how an Oakwood Brown dash ended up in it because isn't it supposed to be Linden Green paint with Glass Green 215 exterior, and Linden Green fabric? Or am I wrong, and Oakwood Brown is correct? In any case, it looks good together, oddly enough.

I just discovered I have the three pages of the Acme Proxlin paint chips and formulae, both the C 1949 and the C 1950 versions. If anyone is interested in a particular formula of the 24 colours, I'll post the old/new variations, although I'm not sure how useful they will be unless you have access to the composition of the original numbered pigments and tints.

The only chip I cannot find is that of Oakwood Brown itself. Even the TCP Color Library doesn't have a colour chip on their site, and I think OB was an exterior 47-48? colour, and interior 49-50?
I haven't figured out how to post pictures to this Forum yet.
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49 Kaiser Special Glass Green, Saskatchewan new
Studebaker
64 2dr 170-6 auto Astra White Commander Special
63 4dr Wagonaire 259V8 o/d Blue
57 4dr 185-6 auto Glendale Green/Turquoise
57 4dr 185-6 o/d Glendale Green/Turquoise W6 clone
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57 Stude 259V8 auto. 56 Panhard

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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2010, 09:36:37 PM »
As I stated in a previous posting here, THE OLD MIXING FORMULAS, PAINT COMPANY TYPE NUMBERS, ETC ARE WORTHLESS!  Too much has changed over the years regarding paint and companies have gone out of business.  As for showing chips in print this is equally worthless as they will not scan exactly perfect and will not print exactly perfect. 

Please refer to my earlier PPG posting.  You can of course try to eye match off an original chip in your hand, but there is no guarantee as these things change color with time due to chemical reactions on the paint (especially colors like Caribbean Coral).

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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2010, 09:20:08 AM »
About cars with tags that don't match the car's color, etc. Yes, many could have had alterations made by dealers and/or owners, but there are some that were factory done. I owned a 49K that a friend's father bought new. He was a salesman and wanted the car to reflect the colors of his business. This included having a dash painted brown instead of green like the trim tag stated it should have been. I have pix of the old beast somewhere and it's a two-toned green Special (yes, I know that wasn't a factory standard, but there it is), and it has a green and beige interior with an Oakwood Brown dash and steering wheel. Curiously, the trim/paint codes are not 999/888. The guy I bought it from remembers traveling by train to Willow Run to pick the car up from the factory. I asked about Willow Cottage but didn't remember anything of it, just that they toured the factory and then drove the car home.
The car now resides in Indiana and the current owner was in the process of restoring it.

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Re: 1949 Kaiser SPECIAL not deluxe (after everyone's help)
« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2010, 10:07:57 PM »
Why, thank you joefrazer.
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49 Kaiser Special Glass Green, Saskatchewan new
Studebaker
64 2dr 170-6 auto Astra White Commander Special
63 4dr Wagonaire 259V8 o/d Blue
57 4dr 185-6 auto Glendale Green/Turquoise
57 4dr 185-6 o/d Glendale Green/Turquoise W6 clone
lawn art
57 Stude 259V8 auto. 56 Panhard