Kaiser Frazer Owners Club Forum
General Category => Kaiser Forum => Topic started by: NoDak on April 14, 2010, 11:50:59 AM
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Hi Kaiser people, I'm new at this but I'm looking for a good place to advertise my 1947 Kaiser that i've had for 15 years. I tried craigs list yesterday but you can only pick a small region. Any advice would be great. Thanks
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If you are not in a hurry I would suggest that you join the KFOC and put a free ad in our Bulletin which will reach hundreds of interested KF people. Hemming's Motor News is the largest circulation old car magazine and you will have a huge readership but it may take a few months to get the ad to the readers. If you want instant action you can put an ad on eBay which has limited access to Kaiser Frazer people but it has very wide circulation and you can have your money in as little time as a week. Tell us about your car and perhaps someone here would be interested. Good luck!
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Thanks gordie. what's it take to join? It's a 47 Kaiser Special sedan that my grandpa restored over 25 years ago. The paint and chrome are in excellent shape. Its only been rained on twice over the years. The flat 6 motor runs good but its standard nothing has been added. Over all it runs and drives good down the road. Grandpa could not find the parts to get the wipers working and some of the wiring needs to be checked. The horn and taillights stopped working over the years I think they are just lost their ground.
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All of the injformation to join the club is found on the KFOC website. When you join you will get a Bulletin that contains information on meets both local and National as well as ads for parts and services. Your car seems like a nice one and many members would be pleased to own it. You will also get a roster of members when you join and there will probably be members close to you. You will find them friendly and helpful and they could probably recommend local merchants who could work on your car. I hope that you would enjoy your membership and would want to finish your car and join in the fun.
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You can also list it here in the for sale forum...this is a targeted audience by advertising standards.
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NoDak: You may think it is a waste of time and money to join the KFOCI only to advertise a car for sale. But consider this: You get free and repeated advertising for a year. The advertising is targeted to people who are interested in what you have to offer so if you care about the car, it is more likely to reach a better home. Actually, I think offering it on Craig's List is your personal invitation to meet all the crooks and half-wits in your particular area. The cost for 1 year membership is $35 which is certainly cheaper than Hemmings 1 month and newspaper classifieds 1 week. I don't expect you to stay a member beyond what it takes to sell the car, but I hope the car would get a good home with less annoying contacts on your part.
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What are the paint and trim codes on the car? Where are you located? Can you post some pictures of the car?
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Thanks all. very good info and you are right about the scam emails on craigs list thats all i've got so far. I've got one person that wants to see the car from a local ad i put in the paper if he doesn't pan out I will join up. I've been searching for Kaiser info for a while and have read your forum but I wasn't thinking of selling before. I got some good information from your site. One more question how do I find an appraiser in eastern North Dakota?
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tried to attach some pictures but it loaded the whole file of pictures. No clue on the paint code it was painted way before I bought it. Any help on adding photos??
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Sorry but this in not working. I try to add an attachment but it adds 70 some pictures every time, it adds the whole file. From the lake and everthing. This is my email address srhaux@ hotmail.com I know how to add them there. But this is not working. I live in Portland North Dakota. I'll Check again tomorrow thanks.
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There is a metal plate on the firewall of the engine compartment with all kinds of letters and numbers. It should be upper part of the firewall over towards the passenger side. This is the body tag, with headers such as PAINT and TRIM. The numbers at the different headers identify how the body was built and what items (outside of standard equipment) were put on this particular car. Having these numbers handy and knowing what they translate to can be an excellent sales point for your vehicle.
If you can get the numbers off the tag and the numbers off the door post car serial number tag, this will be useful. Engine ID tag number is not really useful for this activity.
Jack Mueller
Club Historian, KFOCI
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Thanks Jack that helped alot. Model # 100 Body# 5 Paint-753 Trim-550 Sched-19
Item#-246 Body#-3846 Serial # off of the door is K-100 003840. That was about all of the
information I could find.
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You found enough to indicate that this was one of the original dealer sampling cars (sampling at least 1 per dealer) produced by Kaiser-Frazer. Estimated build date is somewhere around September 30, 1946. As serial numbers start at 1001, this is the 2,840th Kaiser automobile to roll off the production line (body numbers will not normally match serial numbers).
Now for perhaps bigger questions. First, does the car have the word "Special" in script on the trunk between the K A I S E R lettering and the punch for the license plate? Second, does the exhaust manifold attach to the exhaust pipe up by the radiator or directly below the carb/air cleaner? Third, is the word "Special" in script on the sill plates and is the word KAISER on the hub caps?
Jack Mueller
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Yes Its got the Special on the trunk between Kaiser and the plates. But the L is broken off.
The exhaust pipe in located up front of the manifold just behing the radiator. The hubcaps all have KAISER on the but two are scratched up some. Now where and what are the sill plates?
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The sill plates are the trim plates you can see when you open doors--your foot may drag across them when you get in the car.
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47K pix
http://fargo.craigslist.org/cto/1690241252.html
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Thanks ben, both right side doors have sill plates that say Special but the left doors are both missing them. I know when my grandpa restored the car he ordered most of the parts he needed from catalogs and over the phone from salvage yards so maybe he just could't find some for the left side doors. I am still trying to attach some pictures but for some reason it says the file is to big. Any help?
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Not really sure if joining the club will help, as I joined over a month ago received an email with membership number, and nothing since, sent 3 emails to club including president, no answers, checked & paypal paid $45 . However on a good note the help from this group has been the best of any club I have been in in over 50 years of cars, racing & rods.
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Thanks Joe for getting the pictures don't know why I didn't think of that but i'm not real good at computers.
Don't know how the club would be but I gotten a lot of great information from these guys already and I thank you all.
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The car color is the lighter Airway Blue (753) that was one of the original colors of the Kaiser (Bulletin #3, 10/1/46).
As I said in an earlier post, the car is one of the earliest production Kaiser cars still around.
Also noted the post from Thomas about not getting publications. In the last 3 months, the only thing that's come out is the Monthly Bulletin; the last Quarterly went out last fall, along with the 2010 calendar and the KFOCI HANDBOOK CD. The mailling list Barbara uses for the Bulletin comes out of the Membership Secretary...we are not involved in the editing,printing and distrubution of any other publication. Barbara and I are supposed to see Mike Knittel, the club President over the weekend. Also, Thomas, have you talked to the Membership Secretary and/or the Treasurer of the club directly?
Jack Mueller
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Thanks again Jack. I never knew they had a blue colored car. Of all the people that have seen my car none of them ever remember a blue one. Thats cool. The pictures of the blue cars that i've seen, I just thought they didn't like the green or brown color that most of them are painted.
Is there a blue book for older cars online somewhere?
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Try http://nada.com/
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Thanks Joe, Think I'm underinsured. Does anyone have any idea how many of these cars are still on the road or around the country?
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Hey Nodak, I just wanted to jump in and welcome you to the club. There are some really great people in the KF club. I have only met a few in person, but here in the forum I have met quite a few. Lets face it, one of the best parts of a club, or job or.. is the people. They won't toot their own horn, but Jack is fantastic with helping people on the history stuff. He has a GREAT book out on Kaisers Frazers, I would very highly recommend it, as you can learn alot about the cars, and the history of Kaiser Frazer. This Forum has been very helpful to hobbiest like myself. A few people commenting to you such as Bentex, Gordie,and Joefrazer, ect.. I've never met, but have read thier post, great bunch of folks here. Anyway, Just wanted to welcome you to the club. I am in the s.w. part of Mo. if your ever in the area I would love to meet you. keep the photos coming as you progress, thanks, and WELCOME. ;D
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Can anyone tell me the difference about the exhaust pipe mounting to the exhaust manifold up front or under the carb/air cleaner?
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The early KF engines with the front mounted exhaust pipe tended to vapor lock because the fuel pump was located downstream of the exhaust pipe so the change was made to help solve the problem. As anyone who drives a Kaiser or Frazer knows, it helped, but not much...
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I've never had that happen so that must mean I don't drive it enough. The only problem I had was that it would not want to turnover when it was hot after a long drive. but I think that the starter might need new brushes, but since I went with an 8 volt battery it starts everytime.
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The problem you describe is vapor lock. The 8 volt battery turns the starter faster and with less current load than the 6 volt and that moves the air bubbles of gas through the system and brings up good fuel before the battery starts to wear out.
The original Kaiser and Frazer 226 was a slightly bored out version of the prewar Graham 217 cu inch motor. The layout of the Graham engine compartment had better ventilation (as was the case with a number of prewar cars compared to postwar machines). The actual test program for the original design in a prototype Kaiser or Frazer was confined to the first 6 months of 1946, before the really hot weather came along. Based on reports from the field (dealer and customer) the company got with Continental engines to re-design the block and exhaust manifold to put the fuel pump ahead of the heat radiating from the exhaust manifold and exhaust pipe.
The situation became worse in the last 20 or so years because of gasoline reformulations mandated due to EPA restrictions on additives. As a result gasoline today evaporates at a lower temperature than when the cars were new...40 degrees inside the engine compartment made the difference between vapor lock or proper operation for the Saturn SUV; I had a modest role in the fuel system for the L-850 4 cylinder.
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My 53 Manhattan always vapor locked on hot days. I always blamed it on the rear end sag. Lowering the gas tank lower than the fuel pump up front. An electric fuel pump in the rear would do a better job of pumping up hill than a mechanical fuel pump up front will do pulling up hill. Just my thoughts.
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Does the paint lighter airway blue have mixing instructions or did they just add some white to lighten it up from the airway blue? I am trying to got a half pint to touch up a some paint chips. Is the number 753 airway blue or lighter airway blue? The auto supply store got in some airway blue but the person said it looked a lot darker and grayer than my car.