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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: darrin502 on May 24, 2018, 04:40:13 PM

Title: Positive ground vs negative ground
Post by: darrin502 on May 24, 2018, 04:40:13 PM
Why are most 6 volt cars positive ground and all 12 volt cars negative ground?
Thanks
Lee
Title: Re: Positive ground vs negative ground
Post by: joefrazer on May 24, 2018, 07:58:04 PM
Positive ground requires larger cables and better connections to complete a circuit. The upside of positive ground systems is that the chance of errant spark is reduced, which is why boats held on to positive ground systems for years after automobiles switched.

With negative ground (or negative earth as it's referred to in theory), current flow is more natural and the cables and connections need not be as robust.

A side effect of all of this is a benefit to manufacturers...it's cheaper to go with a negative ground system.
Title: Re: Positive ground vs negative ground
Post by: ldladyvt on May 24, 2018, 11:14:40 PM
By the way, 1955 Packards and Clippers were 12 volt positive ground and then switched to 12 volt negative ground in 1956.
Title: Re: Positive ground vs negative ground
Post by: darrin145 on May 25, 2018, 07:13:56 AM
Amphicars also used a 12 volt positive ground set up...
Title: Re: Positive ground vs negative ground
Post by: darrin502 on May 25, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: Positive ground vs negative ground
Post by: pjkaiser on May 25, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
At the turn of the century (1900), when the automobile was first coming of age, electricity was also in its infancy.   Many scientist believed electricity flowed from positive to negative (Hole Theory), they didn't know about electrons as yet.   During the creation of the nuclear reaction and during the development of the electronic computer in the late 30's and early 40's, the atomic theory was realized.  That theory required us to follow the electrons as the only way the electronic computer would operate.   That's when they came up with electronic theory and hole theory.   It took about ten years to filter down to automobile production for the switch to negative ground instead of positive ground.   At the same time as the automobile advanced, more electronics were being installed that needed more electricity at a higher pressure, so when they changed from positive to negative ground, they also upped the voltage to 12 volts.   

Now they want to increase the voltage to 42 volts as more and more accessories have been put on vehicles all controlled and/or monitored by computers.  However, they can't get the accessories to live any reasonable length of time with that kind of voltage.   The 42 volt system is actually a 36 volt system, they just changed how it is promoted.   6v systems are actually have a 7 volt charging system, a 12v system actually has a 14 v charging system and a 36 v system has a 42 volt charging system!
Title: Re: Positive ground vs negative ground
Post by: darrin502 on May 25, 2018, 06:02:36 PM
Wow you should like an engineer thank fo the info. I modified my 3 Darrins and converted them to 12V negative grounds. I have to run radiator fans which require 12 V. Working on 3 more that are original 6 V systems.