Kaiser Frazer Owners Club Forum
General Category => Kaiser Forum => Topic started by: 709karl on February 09, 2009, 11:50:42 AM
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Hey folks, I asked about antenna location recently and the computer pooped out before completing the issue. Who knows the correct spot for a 49 deluxe antenna. Does anyone have this beast + the cable...priced fairly. More obscure now, a challange to you parts gerus, who made the duel carb intakes for Kaisers? Edmunds? Offenhauser? anyone hoarding one away for a flower vase? or, an already split manifold? ...226 cu. in. They don't work well on a shelf. Thanks, Karl
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Jack at kaiserfrazerlibrary@yahoo.com had replied to your last post. He has a template for the hole. Send him an email. Finding an original K-F antenna will be hard and expensive if you do. I will be going with an aftermarket one when I get my Frazer back on the road.
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Thanks, I'll contact him. K.
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709karl,
I too am looking for one of those intakes.(and the head)from Edmunds. I've asked around and found a few that are being used, but none for sale with out taking out a loan for more then my car... I also heard they don't help with the HP much, but I remember John Parker had one on his 47 Kaiser and it hauled butt..burn outs and everything...Looked real cool, too. He did rebuild our motors so he knew how to hotrod them.
www.vintagespeed.com makes after market stuff (even the EDMUNDS CUSTOM stuff),but no intake for our 226's. I wonder if enough of us Kaiser, Frazer, Willy's guys email them would they make us a re-pop of the Edmund's head and intake??
http://www.vintagespeed.com/MVC-029F.JPG
If you find an original K-F antenna, I'll take one too. If I remember right, Tom W. said they drop all the way down into the fender...
Will in Whittier
49 Frazer Manhattan
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Thanks for the reply. THe duel carb intake really isn't about speed (obviously) or a chevy small block would be in order. I can remember old Plymouth sixes with splits and they have a sweet sound. Also, i've got one of the nicest original Kaisers left and wouldn't want to really alter it...a few nostalga items however...I was suprised, the Vintage Speed person you mentioned is about 10 miles from where I live so will contact him. Is Edmunds still an active business? Keep in touch. K.
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709karl , (From Vintage Speed) "We will be reproducing some of the more popular Edmunds intakes and other parts soon. Edmunds Custom was in business from--about 1934 (maybe earlier) thru about 1959 or '60 when it was sold to Fenton . Eddie was born the 18th of Feb. 1916 and died Sept 1969 according to Roy Pagnini who wrote a recent story on Edmunds. Fenton dropped Edmunds from there line after a couple of years as the demand for inline six cyl. -carb setups and alum heads went away."
I'm a big fan of inline 6's. Most of the car's I've owned happend to have I6's. I also have some ford econoline's. My work van 64 econoline van with it's stock 170/3spd. I have a 300EFI I6/auto to go in it when I get the time. I also have a 63, 5 window econoline pickup with a 250 I6 from a fairmont and a T5 5 speed out of a 93 mustang GT I'm working on. I can get a 3 carb setup for those early I6 from Offenhauser.
http://www.offyparts.com/images/offy_5017.JPG
I agree a small amount of mods that can be easily reversed to stock is nice. A supercharger is another idea I've been kicking around, but 2 carb is preferred.
Will in Whittier
49 Frazer Manhattan
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709karl,
I too am looking for one of those intakes.(and the head)from Edmunds. I've asked around and found a few that are being used, but none for sale with out taking out a loan for more then my car... I also heard they don't help with the HP much, but I remember John Parker had one on his 47 Kaiser and it hauled butt..burn outs and everything...Looked real cool, too. He did rebuild our motors so he knew how to hotrod them.
www.vintagespeed.com makes after market stuff (even the EDMUNDS CUSTOM stuff),but no intake for our 226's. I wonder if enough of us Kaiser, Frazer, Willy's guys email them would they make us a re-pop of the Edmund's head and intake??
http://www.vintagespeed.com/MVC-029F.JPG
If you find an original K-F antenna, I'll take one too. If I remember right, Tom W. said they drop all the way down into the fender...
Will in Whittier
49 Frazer Manhattan
Can't speak for the '49 but I have a 54 Manhattan and the original antenna does pretty much drop right into the fender. There is about 2" sticking up when it's pushed all the way down.
I had to repair mine as it was a "two piece" when I bought the car. Piece number 2 being located on the rear parcel shelf behind the rear seat. I managed to thread the inside of both pieces and used a brass #6 screw with epoxy to put the broken part back on. Originally I was going to just replace it until I realized the new ones are still about 18" long when collapsed and the original dropped right down.
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I once read that the '49 standard used the same radio as the '47/'48s did and the '49 deluxe (the 'color' models) used the GE radio which was used in the 1949/50 Frazer Manhattans, the 1951 Frazers and the early 1951 Kaisers. I've repaired a number of them and sold two of them recently. Rudy Philips reproduces the plastic knobs and pushbuttons for them. If I happen across another, I'll let you know, otherwise if you find one and it needs repair, I can do that.
I was at a salvage yard recently that had five 1949/50 Kaisers, including a Deluxe (Bedford Blue) and they all had this style radio in them, even the Deluxe so it could depend on what the dealers had available.
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FWIW, the radio in my 54 Manhattan is a Delco. It was dead when I got it but all that was wrong was the vibrator was shot. Tubes all tested perfect.
I put a solid state replacement in, in place of the mechanical one from Antique Electronic Supply.
http://www.tubesandmore.com/
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If anyone needs it, I found a very good person to recondition period radios in Florida. Also, I'm STILL not sure where to correctlu mount the antenna on a 49 deluxe? Does anyone know? Anyone? My car is finally running like a top and am putting the interior back together and other finishes...looking forward to finally getting some enjoyment out or it... Thanks, Karl
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I know someone here in Minnesota that's great at refurbishing old radios. (http://www.mortalenema.com/images/emoticons/emot-ninja.gif)
Well, without any definitive answer, I don't think you could go wrong putting on the driver's side fender like this '49 here:
(http://www.mortalenema.com/images/49KLimo.jpg)
I searched through books, photos on my 'puter and on google. Most '49s appeared to have it here. This picture was by far the most interesting.
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YEA GADS!
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Unless this has something more than the 226, I think it would be difficult to haul a full load--but way cool!
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Weas, that '49/'50 (I forget which) Kaiser limo was right here in Minneapolis for many years. I used to see John Haller driving it down 35W every once in while. He drove it to the KFOC National in Oshkosh, Wisconsin back in 2001. In June 2002 it sold to "Fuzzy" Fruzinia (or some such spelling) in Green Bay at an auction here in Blaine, MN. The price it sold for? $16,000. A year later, Fuzzy, who also owned a Darrin and a Tucker, passed away. I have no idea where the cars went. That photo must've been taken after he got it and it looks like it was taken at Lowell Johnsons Brat Fry which is held every August by Lowell Johnson of Sheboygan. I know Fuzzy was the guy who won the big lottery in the mid 80s and was a millionaire several times over and he bought a lot of cars. From what I've been told, he had all the trim on his Darrin gold-plated. I've seen some pictures.
I took some pictures and you can see it in the background of this one (https://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a6cf20b3127cceedd67e4d9a4b00000030O01SatmLdmyB7efAA/cC/f%3D0/ls%3D00203070160520161102014801079.JPG/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/)
The rumor going around that day was that Jay Leno had bought several of the cars but since I know someone who knows Jay Leno, I was able to debunk that rumor. In any case, it is cool.
By the way, I know that guy here who repairs the old tube radios too!
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That "airport limo" as it has been called was at one time at a mission or some such here in Texas. Eventually it ended up with Fred Walker's former partner in CO. He rebuilt it in his home garage. The story has been written up in the Quarterly way back when. It was back in CO at the Ouray meet years ago. I can't remember if the MN gang drove it out or hauled it. I may try to dig out the old mags to find the article.
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Before I pull this thread too far off topic, does anyone know for certain if Karl should mount the antenna on the driver's side or...?
I would like to see some more info on the limo. :)
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I have a copy of the Henry J Radio instalation instructions, which came from KF. In the antenna section it says "Install antenna using instructions packed with antenna assembly..." so it was a seprate manual which I do not have. I does state in the install instructions to "dress the antenna cable over the instrument cables and braces which would indicate the cable comes in from the driver's side, just as on the 1949 in the photo.
I also checked my copy of the instalation instructions for the 1947/48 KF radios. Regarding the antenna, it says the same thing the Henry J manual says and that is "Instructions are in the antenna kit..." But, it shows a picture of the antenna and it is mounted on the driver's side in the same location it is on that limo in the photo so that is very likely the correct location.
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Antenna installation: The factory put them on the right fender and dealer installs put them on the left fender. Don't know why the difference. All factory photos and all pictures of cars on the K-F assembly line have them on the right fender.
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So if Karl's didn't originally come with a radio and antenna, it would be more correct to have it on the driver's side like it was dealer installed?
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Hello
The reason the Dealers installed the antenna on the left side to make it a lot harder for the kids to break them off when parked on the street.
Roger
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Just for the sake of interest, My Kaiser is exactly like the green 49 pictured next to the blue 'J'. ...right down to the wheel treatment & floods. Looking closely, it appears to have an antenna...on the driver's side. What do you think? Will any auto speaker work for the 6 volt radio? Karl
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The KF radios all used a 4 ohm speaker. It would be best to find a 4 ohm, however, with vacuum tube circuits it is not that critical that it be exactly 4 ohms. If you used an 8 ohm it would work OK but the output tubes may wear out a little sooner than they would using a 4 ohm. The original ones were 4 ohm, 9 inch oval, but a round one would work OK, it's just a matter of finding a good way to mount it. Voltage is not a factor, ohm rating and watt rating is and since car radios of the day were very low watt output that really won't matter either.
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It is interesting that dealers would have put the antennas on the left to make them harder for kids to break off. If so, why didn't the factory do it too? How would placing it on the left side make it more difficult?
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Parallel parking??
I don't see that the idea of factory doing it one way and dealers another to be likely true.
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I agree, there was a template and instruction in the antenna kit for installing the antennas. There are no instructions in the radio owners manuals nor any mention of instructions in the service bulletins for the antennas. If the dealers did in fact install them on both sides we would have to go with that unless someone has original antenna instructions. In looking thru factory photos the antennas were all installed on the left side including the first prototype cars thru 1951 except for the Henry J's which seem to be on the right side. 1952 cars show them on both sides and 1953 up seem to have them on the right side. That makes it easy doesn't it?
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I think we've run this topic to ground!!! ;D