Kaiser Frazer Owners Club Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: MilesP on December 31, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
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I just sent Barb the following message but doubt that it will get forwarded "Barb I agreed with your Dec editorial and will miss you as Editor you did a good job" In her editorial she had a point that needed further investigation I hope she was not encourage to resign as the announcement implied . I also hope this event will not harm the club
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Interesting post. It is indeed one of those things that makes you go " hmmmmmmm"
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This issue is appropriately discussed by our President in the Jan 2013 Bulletin.
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For the record ... I did NOT resign.
I was removed as editor because I exposed Mike Barker in the Dec issue - and by extension, exposed other deceptions to the membership.
Rather than post it all here, I welcome any club member who wants to know more to call me: 716-276-8083.
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For the record ... I did NOT resign.
I was removed as editor because I exposed Mike Barker in the Dec issue - and by extension, exposed other deceptions to the membership.
Rather than post it all here, I welcome any club member who wants to know more to call me: 716-276-8083.
N I C E !!!
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Barbara will be difficult to replace!!!
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Make the call as Barbara said,I did, then you really will go hmmmmmm.
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This whole bit just galls me. We are supposed to be a club of like-interested individuals. I don't really know what happened, but do not think that airing our dirty laundry is in any way constructive. Discussions of problems should be presented to the board of directors for review/resolution before anything is done publicly. If the board is a problem, then perhaps some discussion privately among regular members is needed for possible action.
Barbara - did you consult other members of the board before publishing your comments? If not, you should not have published those comments. Although I am an appointed member of the board, I knew nothing of a problem and would've liked to know about it because perhaps I might see a resolution.
As to your resignation, forced or voluntary, it might have been avoided. Over the years, you've done an excellent job as editor and I'd like to see you continue in that position. I'm sorry this has happened, especially in the public eye.
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I also do not know what happened, and I do not even know the parties involved personally, but I agree with Aeroman's comments that appropriate channels be followed (by one and all). Truly hope that all can be resolved in the best possible manner without adverse effects for the club.
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Rick don't let this die there are $4611 reasons for this to get investigated . For sure if Barb needed to get board of directors permission to write an editorial then Jim and Mike needed to get permission to fire her. You as s a board member should demand a fuller explanation I guess it should be behind closer doors. since no one likes to have it aired in public
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Is this Forum or even our Newsletter truely a public forum? They both seem like Club Member forums. Club transparncy seems like a good idea to me.
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Jim , I fully agree with you. this is a club publication not a general news paper/media airing, the whole matter suould be looked into now, as there is plenty of "fault"? to go around
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None of us seems to know what happened but we have suddenly lost one of the best editors that we ever had and who enjoyed her job and had much back-up from our Club Historian. A real loss for everyone involved! Many of the old club officers fought Jack Mueller to the bitter end in his attempt to put some authenticity into the judging system. Aren't we all working for the betterment of the club???
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Starting way back, this club has bitterly resisted uniform judging against written standards. They have insisted on the arbitrary standards of who ever was the currently guru. There has been more than one rumor of improper consideration over the years. I have an experience of my own, but I do not wish to be sued and will not relate.
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I speak here only for judging and accuarcy issues, NOT anything to do with the Bulletin.
While there seems to be a lot of sincere interest among members about fixing the problems connected with judging standards & the training of judges, when it comes time to go to a Business Meeting and hold the club management's feet to the fire (so to speak) to get things fixed (or elect new officers that will commit to fixing problems and follow through) past history indicates that the effort fades out or the effort is so badly organized (perhaps not by accident?) that the nay-sayers say it cannot be done & steam roller over it. Past events suggest that the people who protest the loudest may be the people with the most to loose if written standards were distributed to car owners and they could really see what's supposed to be what.
I have a plan to fix things and put it in place on a two-year timetable.
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How can we implement this plan? Is there any chance of the members voting for it or will it just go away because some of the club officers don't want it?
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Let me comment on the issue of judging. My personal opinion of whether judging should happen at all aside, the issue lies with having people who will commit themselves to becoming SMEs (Subject Matter Experts), in addition to having material to support them. While at the national meet, many folks step up to the plate and help judge...that's great...except that many have little experience as judges and they have little to support them as judges. I've read...and heard...it time and time again..."I'd like to help"...but when it comes to to actually assist with getting the alleged ills with judging corrected, you can hear a pin drop.
So, until a firm group of committed people step forward and build both a library of material to help the judges, and we have a core team of people who will commit to judge at each national to maintain a consistent approach, we'll only continue to hear the same chorus of "when is somebody gonna do something about judging".
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f we are gointg to continue a "judging" conversation, let's start a new thread with that in the subject matter.
In this manner, those in the future who are concerned about judging can go to the proper thread rather than have pertinent info buried in a "bulletin editor" thread.
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Thank you Barbara for all of the great work you have done. I wish you and Jack a great and Happy New Year and thanks for your contributions to the KF Club. I hope a solution can be made soon and I would like to see you return in the future as our club editor.
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Ditto Kenn's remarks. Let's all kiss and make up and bring Barb back as Bulletin Editor. There are many more critical KFOCI matters to deal with rather than have the entire membership suffer with a Bulletin Editor change and I hardly see where our club could find a more capable, talented volunteer. I've been around for 30 years so I hope my opinion holds at least a little weight. Thanks.
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Many of us agree.
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Ditto
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Although I have no real idea what goes on behind the scenes, the newsbulletin, calendar and the quarterlies are the lifeblood of this club and they were, all three of them, excellent publications. Regardless of any shenanigans going on behind the scenes, I would like to see the editors of each reinstated and the problems with them resolved.
I still feel that dirty laundry should not be aired like it was, it seemed a cheap shot and we should be above that. It felt more like gossip to me, but then, as I stated earlier, I'm ignorant of the facts and apparently will remain so. Yes, this is a forum for the club and the newsbulletin is our main source of club news, but let's try to quietly resolve problems first before resorting to pointing fingers publicly.
Anyway, many of us have sporadically worked on written judging standards and I would like to see that effort resurrected. That should also be covered in a different thread than this one.
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I agree wholeheartedly on getting the club to accept a standard way of judging,the LINCOLN AND CONTENTAL INTERNATIONAL CLUB HAS A COMPREHENSICE RULE BOOK AND I ENJOYED GETTING MY MARK 111 GONE OVER. Their rule book dealt with DRIVERS vis. Trailer Queens and were judged accordingly. as to Barbara, she should receive an apology for the way the matter was handled and if the problem does exist should be corrected. and reinstated with thanks for the input to the CLUB