Kaiser Frazer Owners Club Forum
General Category => Cars For Sale & Wanted => Topic started by: SamNicolosi on July 31, 2014, 01:59:07 PM
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I keep trying to post this on the forum, and it keeps failing to appear. This time I will try it without the photos. Maybe "attachments" is causing the problem.
"Was a running car when parked (5 years ago). Now fit only for parts. I believe the engine and Hydramatic tranny are good.
The supercharger is "there" but needs a rebuild. Five hundred dollars will buy the whole car or just the
drive train (if that's all you want). If no offers, this one will go to the shredder. There are many good trim
parts here. good grille, headlight surrounds, tail lamps, radio, door panels, etc. Photos (by email) available upon request."
contact crosmobile-sk@yahoo.com
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Total production 4107.
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http://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/4596756000.html
This is Sam's listing. He stated that he would sell to us for $500. The ad has several decent photos. This surely isn't going to be scrapped for lack of interest or parted out I hope. Especially being a Manhattan with a complete supercharger.
Dayton Ohio.
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That looks like a very restorable car to me. In the background are a W Aero as well as a nice looking DeSoto.
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Hi : Does anyone know if this car sold? I have sent two e-mails and no reply. I was thinking someone on this site has bought it .Fess up if you got this good deal ))
Thanks ...Fred
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Wow! Imagine what a '54 Ford or Chevy would look like for $500. It would be rusting into the ground. This is exactly why I went the K-F route.
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Not me Fred, but I have been in communication by private email with Sam so let me get his phone number.
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Fred
Sam has gotten back to me quickly on my emails directly to his email provided. But, I have deleted those emails in a clean up of my emails.
Bryan
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Hi Fred, :)
I never received those replies that you sent via Craig's List... don't know why.
This car is still available... no nibbles thus far. Please let me know if you want it, and I will hold it for you.
And a big Thank You to Bryan :) for messaging me to the effect that someone on the K-F Forum "was interested". I had forgotten "check back".. :-\
Sam Nicolosi
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If You still have the Kaiser please email Me asap. I'm very interested. Also I live in Ga and You would have to work with Me because I'll have to locate a Carrier to haul it to Me. Would You be available to be there when I can get a Carrier. Thanks so Much. Harold. haroldworthington@yahoo.com
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Hello Harold, I don't think this would be a problem, as long as the hauler can let me know by cellphone when he is an hour or two away from here.
Please note that I offered this car "as a parts car" (without a title) at a price of $700 to the general public or $500 to a club/forum member. Several people have indicated that this vehicle should be restored (not parted out).
I don't currently have a title, but believe I can get one. However, if anyone wants a title with it,
I would have to charge $700 to a club member ($900 to anyone else), as it will cost me some time and money to title it.
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Thanks Sam for getting back to Me. Are the Trunk and floor board rusted out? Also do You have a Picture of the Engine Compartment and the Trunk? Thanks
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I do not think there is any rust-out in floorboards or trunk, but I will have to check that out.
(Am not sure if I ever actually looked in the trunk).
Please provide me with an email address if you want additional photos sent to you,
as I have not had much luck trying to post photos to the forum (thus far).
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Okay thanks haroldworthington@yahoo.com look forward to seeing more pictures.
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As some of you may have already heard, the "Midnight Requisitioners" paid me a visit last night. >:( Apparently I was a bit too careless in revealing the exact location of this Kaiser, as during the night someone cut the lock on my back gate, and "helped themselves" to the blower (supercharger) from this vehicle. :-[
Whoever did this was a skillful thief, as no unnecessary harm was done, but the bottom line is that this vehicle no longer has a blower, so you may no longer be interested. If you are still interested, please drop me an email to crosmobile-sk@yahoo.com.
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Superchargers have serial numbers. If you have a photo of yours, keep an eye on eBay. Your thief will show up.
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Is it this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kaiser-Supercharger-1954-swingarm-carb-box-pulley-/251610481565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9527439d&vxp=mtr
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Doubtful... The item is in St Louis and Dayton and St Louis are 6 hours apart
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I think I'll pass on it. Sorry about the break-in.
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A cautionary story for sure. BUT that car is still too nice to crush. I understand parting out, because there somehow seems to be a LOT of 54's out there. But it would still make a nicer restoration project then most $500 cars out there. Crusher price, if picked up by one of the advertisers on CL, would be at least $200 +
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The 54 drives just fine without the supercharger . The car looks too good for the crusher . I would " jump " if I was close enough . Have had one the same color for many years that never had the supercharger .
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Does anyone know if rocker panels and brake parts available for a 54 Manhattan ?
Thanks...Fred
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Everything you need is available. Rocker panels appear on ebay quite frequently...a fellow in Michigan is reproducing them. Brake parts can be found here -> http://kfparts.com/
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The 54 drives just fine without the supercharger . The car looks too good for the crusher . I would " jump " if I was close enough . Have had one the same color for many years that never had the supercharger .
Yes I would imagine it would drive fine. I wonder how it looks? Also, a supercharger is constant (as I understand) so I wonder if the 226 would be a "dog" without the supercharger because of reduced compression or timing adjustments. Not sure.
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I drive my 55 with the supercharger not hooked up it works great and can keep up on the interstate not the speeders but the average traffic not a dog at all works as well as any other Kaiser
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I can't understand the Kaiser engine having a reputation as such a "dog". After getting used to my '51 for a couple of weeks, I didn't notice a lack of power, for a vintage six. The 1951 Mercury flathead V-8 had 3 less horsepower. The dual carb Hudsons were the only hotter sixes of the time that I'm aware of.
Now a car that was REALLY a slug: Ford Falcon 144cu in Six, especially with automatic. And any VW bus.
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I don't think I meant to say the 226 is a dog. But I have worked on modern cars with turbos and superchargers and so my reference comes from them. In many cases, initial compression is reduced because the boost from the supercharger (or turbo) could destroy the pistons/valves.
I don't know the engineering behind the 54-55 226 "blown" motor so I was assuming it would be a dog from a lower compression and timing aspect, as compared to a "normally aspirated" engine. But, apparently I am incorrect.
The bottom line is even the supercharged 226 was not keeping up with the Jones' in 1954-55. So, most of us would not purchase a 54 for their performance. As admirers of KF, and given that only 4000 or so Manhattans were made, we would collect and restore this one for the styling, place in history and camaraderie.
Hope it can be purchased, maintained and restored.
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Question about this Kaiser with out the supercharger: Does the supercharger have its own belt separate from the water pump/Gen belt ?and are there any differences in the carb settings and timing ?
Thanks...Fred
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Yes, a separate belt drive the supercharger although it and the fan belt were both driven off the crankshaft pulley. A different carb and distributor were used. Compression ratio was the same as non supercharged engines however. Point gaps were different between the two engines as well.
When the supercharger was not engaged there was zero boost, it was only along for the ride. When engaged it provided something like 4lbs boost. Horsepower went from 118 to 140...not a big change but enough to give a twin-h Hudson a run for its money.
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Update : The supercharger is back on the car, long story. But now he wants $1,000.00 for the car
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What are the supercharges worth ?
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If the car runs and the s/c works, the $1000 asking price is very fair.
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The plot thus far: Yes, the supercharger is back. It was not recovered by the police. It was returned to me by the person who took it. a friend of mine (Russ) who is a good mechanic,who had fallen onto hard times (job loss & medical bills). Russ knew that I was offering the Kaiser on Craig's List as a parts car for $500, and that I had not mentioned the supercharger in that ad. He also knew (I didn't) that the S/C alone was worth more than I was asking for the whole car. So he "figured" that he wouldn't be hurting anyone if he "liberated" the S/C (he had a buyer who was willing to pay him $650 for it).
Well, Russ heard me grousing about the dirty rotten thief who had stole my S/C, and his conscience got the better of him. He told me what he had done (and why)... and he put everything back the way he had found it. Now I was faced with a dilemma: I had advertized the car "way too cheap" according to Russ, (and I now knew he could get $650 for the S/C and another $200 from the scrap yard, if nobody wanted to buy the Kaiser (minus S/C) for $500.
I feel I owe Russ "something" for bringing "the ignorance of my Craig's List offer"to light, and I have agreed to give him "half" of whatever I get for the S/C. I would still like to see this vehicle go to a K-F guy (intact), so I am willing to let the car (with S/C) go for $1000. Or I will sell the S/C separately for $650 and the car (minus S/C) for $500. If I sell the whole vehicle for $1000, I will essentially be getting only $500 for the S/C... in which case, Russ will get $250 as a sort of "finders fee". If I sell the S/C separately for $650, he will get $325.
At this point I really don't care which way it goes, I just "need the space".
If anyone here is interested in "just the S/C" I will sell that for $650.
If anyone wants just the car itself (minus S/C), you can have that for $500.
If anyone wants the whole thing, you can have it for $1000...
which is still about $500 less than its true market value (according to Russ), and I will be re-listing on Craig's List for $1500, per his advice..
I am truly sorry for any confusion or disappointment this whole scenario may have caused to anyone.
I should also add that I HAVE NOW FOUND THE TITLE for this vehicle, so it is not necessarily a "parts car" any longer.
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How far are you from I-71? I will be traveling thru the area next week and would like to take a closer look.
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Approximately eight miles South of the intersection of I-71 and I-75, Joe.
You can check out my '47 Frazer Manhattan at the same time (if you are interested)!)
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Sam
That is an interesting story. I applaud your friend for returning it and that his conscience did get the best of him. I think your car, especially now with title, is worth $1000, if marketed in the correct circles.
My issue is always with keeping a car together. Sure, you may be able to sell the S/C for $650. I'm not sure if that is entirely accurate but I am not in the rare parts purchasing business. Maybe there is a huge demand for 54 Manhattan S/C's??
There are still quite a few 54 Kaisers out there, and if they are Manhattans, and the S/C as I understand it was factory stock on Manhattans, then often we see them missing and yours would have value for someone restoring one for sure.
There probably are few if any 54 Manhattan restorations being conducted in the US, presently.
Thanks again for your kindness to your friend. Some people would crakc the whip and have the guy arrested or told to scram. But sometimes you peel back the story and see that folks without money may do stupid things for the basics. We should all keep that in mind as we count our blessings.
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Does anyone know if he sold it ? I sent an e-mail, but no reply .