Kaiser Frazer Owners Club Forum
General Category => Darrin Forum => Topic started by: Mel Francis on February 06, 2016, 10:45:51 PM
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I'm new to the forum, but this is an old story that I've wanted to tell the group for some time now.
In 1987, Steve Karlock of Thousand Oaks, CA brought me a Kaiser Darrin for restoration, that had been outfitted with a Cadillac engine. As you can see in the first photo, the engine mounts were rather tall and cradled the engine higher than normal, since the steering box, which normally sat beside the 6 cyl, now rested underneath the left hand cylinder bank and prevented it from going further. The engine sat so tall, that someone cut a hole in the hood for carb clearance and mounted a J.C. Whitney hood scoop to cover the intake.
Steve told me at the time, that the car had been previously raced in the mid-fifties by Laura Maxine Elmer, who later married Briggs Cunningham. Evidence that it had been raced was found in a worn layer of brushed-on red enamel over the entire floor area, to take the place of the red carpet that had been removed, to comply with SCCA rules. The car was also equipped with a pair of side-exhausts, with no mufflers, that came off the headers. Actually, there was just one header on the left, fabricated around the steering shaft and the right side used a stock iron manifold, which bolted up to the r/h exhaust pipe. The modifications to the car were all very rough, looking they had been done in haste, so as we restored the car, we re-engineered some of the details, to make it more presentable as a restored item.
The car was equipped with a Lasalle 3-speed manual with an aluminum adapter to the V8. It had a giant 4-row copper radiator fitted into the front compartment, but the mounts were collapsing with age and fatigue, so we replaced them with stronger units. This wasn't going to be a very useful car if it was put back as Darrin's Sunset Blvd. team had built it, so I was given the go-ahead to install the engine correctly. This meant lowering the steering box bracket and fabricating new mounts that held the engine at the correct angle for the carb floats to work correctly. We made up a K-frame to replace the modified and twisted original crossmember. The steering shaft was also modified with a couple of u-joints to allow proper clearance and new headers were fabricated for each side, with a larger main, center tube, and two smaller tubes feeding onto it on either side, very period correct, if not as 'originally' modified. The side exhausts were rebuilt with short mufflers, to help improve street drivability. Steve had a complete dual-quad manifold from a '55 Eldorado, so we added that item, also. As you can see in the photo, it completes the installation very well. The electrical system was divided, in order to start and run the engine on 12 volts, with a voltage stepdown coil to run the original lights and instruments on 6 volts. A couple of weeks after that photo was taken, I drove the car up onto Steve's trailer and he took it off to another shop for upholstery. It ran very smoothly, just idling up the ramps.
It had been one of the group of cars shipped out to Darrin's shop. Kaiser was closing, so in order to make good on their styling and development deal with Darrin, they paid him in cars to settle the debt. The car was a regular production item, fully finished and bore a regular production plate, with a serial number, as seen in the photo. The story we heard from Darrin's family back then, was that Butch, his younger brother, handled the shop operations and it was his decision, when it came to some of the original modifications, given the short amount of time available for the V8 installations. Since we had the time, we were determined to do it a bit more patiently. the hole in the hood was closed and these days, the car looks exactly like any other Darrin, except for the side exhausts.
I haven't seen Steve or the car for the last 28 years, since I moved to the Midwest. But I have spoken to him recently about the museum he's opening in Hannibal, MO. The car will be on display there as part of a permanent exhibit and I'll take some better photos when I visit this summer. I have some other photos from this period, but they were all on old photo media and scanned for this thread.
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Hello Mel Francis, would you have any idea what the vehicle number was. I have a old program from the 1955 Palm Springs SCCA race that lists Maxine Elmer( Laura Cunningham) as the driver with Howard Darrin as the owner. There is also a video of the same race where Ralph Sinatra rolls over in his 6 cyl supercharged Darrin. Finally great to see more information about any Cad powered Darrin.
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Back when we restored the car, I never made any note of the chassis number. I suppose I could contact Steve and ask him.
But when I visit the car this summer in Hannibal, I will definitely take a closeup photo of the number plates on the firewall.
Yes, I've seen the race program and the video of the March 1955 Palm Springs race. None of that was available (online), back in 1988.
Here are a couple more photos of the frame, the first was of our lowered steering and engine mounts.
Compare that to the shot of the original frame and you'll see the height difference.
The second shot shows the engine re-installed in the frame. Sorry about the motion-blur. One detail I have wondered about is the additional round tubing
stiffeners from the side rails to the high crossmember above the rear axle. Was this a standard frame modification on all Darrins, or just on the modified
V8 chassis?
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This may be #368, one of 3 or 4 regular production units that Dutch had modified.
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Hi Terry, what do you think about the angle braces above the rear axle? A standard stiffening modification to the production Willys frame for all Darrins?
Yes, it might be #368, I'll have to ask. It definitely started life as a regular production car.
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That rear stiffening was production, but it changed somewhat throughout the production cycle.
I met an old timer here in Detroit area who worked the line in Jackson. He said that in the beginning, the plant provided the line with boxes of scrap metal to "box in" the rear frame members. So, early units were very rough from that standpoint.
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Well, as part of the production effort, that part of the frame modification was nicely done. The tubes fit well and had good welds to the main rails. We just cleaned and repainted, since it was a California car with only surface rust.
The first shot below shows the final installation of the Cadillac engine and the beginning of the steering shaft modification, with the two u-joints. This allowed the header to be a very straight-forward design, not having to wrap around the steering shaft.
The lower photo shows the large radiator fitted into the nose. It was mounted solidly on the two vertical supports showing in the previous frame and engine photo. At one point, the radiator had been mounted to the fiberglass side walls and had broken loose in a front-end accident. You can see in the photo, that the new inner wall extensions were only laminated in place and had not yet been painted yet. Working with the front clip removed made the engine work so much easier, an advantage that Darrin's crew never had.
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As the body was removed from the frame, we mounted it on two rolling fixtures, to help with the individual prep and repairs, without having to work down inside the footwells.
The photos below, show the two body sections well past all their repairs, with the catalyzed primer baking in the sun.
The front clip was further reduced to just the skin section, with the cowl and inner panels being first re-attached to the chassis, as in the forward view above. This allowed the
doors to be refitted to the rear clip while on the upper and lower tracks, with full access to everything.
You'll notice in the photos, that the hood repair to fill in the area where the scoop had been, had not begun yet.
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Yep, it is #368--Karlock confirmed in the Darrin Registry.
Great to have pics of it--thanks much.
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Excellent Terry! I'm glad the details match up.
Here are a few views of the body repairs. When Steve first brought it to me, the body had been prep-ground with a large diameter grinder, to remove
all the gelcoat cracks and sun-damaged areas. Some areas were quite thin, with all the material removed, so we laminated another couple of layers of fiberglass mat
over the entire surface. The front end had some serious cracks from a front-end collision that had never been correctly repaired, so those areas were bevel-edged and laminated with enough glass to get the surfaces even, prior to the full fiberglass layers, then the body was bondo surfaced and primed.
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This is all very interesting. My Darrin is #357 and sold here in Massachusetts new in August 1954. If indeed #368 went to Howard Darrin as payment, Kaiser had his Darrin liquidation plan already in motion. So much for the fairy tale of 100 leftover unsold Kaiser Darrins damaged by snow from setting in storage at Kaiser's warehouse. Now where is the Darrin that Ralph Sinatra drove?
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The story I heard back during the restoration, was that a couple of transporters, with what, six cars each? made it to California. The cars did have to be dug out of the snow, but they weren't damaged. That would give you a total of about 12-15 cars, most of which were sold as new by Darrin from his shop, but there were only a few that were modified with V8s, or the supercharger that was on Sinatra's car. I haven't seen the registry, but the last few cars on the list might be the ones to search among, for his. You know what color it was, from the photos and it probably retained its original engine, perhaps without the supercharger.
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I just wanted to add these final shots of the car. I hope this information has been useful and as I said, I'll be visiting the car this summer in Hannibal and get some updated digital photos as it appears these days...
The first, is the car with the front clip painted, but not yet installed, as final hookups were being finished. Being able to work deep in the engine bay, without the concern of scratching the paint on the front fenders was really a help. We even undercoated the front clip before the installation.
The second was the car fully reassembled, with just the final seam bond down at the rear of the front clip, held by a single clamp. Since this was a lacquer paint job, there's not much gloss, as we were waiting to buff the paint to its final gloss after the touch-up at the rear seam.
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According to the Darrin family, Dutch re-powered only 1 post-production Darrin with a Caddy V8.
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Then, hopefully, we can agree that the one car has finally surfaced, after years of obscurity in a private collection! As we worked on it, we could tell that some of the engineering problems Darrin's team encountered, were a real setback to the plan of simply 'dropping' V8s in these cars.
But I would encourage any KFD members to do the same, if they really want to own a Cad-Darrin. You would have had Darrin's full approval! He wanted as many to exist as possible. That's why this sign was in his storefront!
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Look closely at the storefront picture and you'll see what appears to be an f-head engine with two side draft carbs fitted.
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Mel,
You misunderstood my post--I said post-production. By that I meant cars that were not those completed in the production process, thus not any of the 435.
You are talking about #368, i.e., a "production" unit.
To restate for clarity, the family states that Dutch put only 1 Caddy V8 in any of the cars that he "dug out of the snow".
To date, not one claims to have seen it.
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It was my understanding, almost 30 years ago, that the number of cars traded to Darrin to settle his design fee, then transported to California were all unsold production units. These vehicles may not even bear consecutive serial numbers, since they probably took the easiest to dig out vehicles at the ends of two or three rows.
Unfinished, post-production cars would have been no use to Darrin, since he wanted to be able to sell the vehicles directly to the public and gain the full new-car value for his own financial survival.
If Darrin's family says he only installed one Cadillac engine in a Darrin, then this may well be it. This particular car has a very long history with this engine in place and the chassis definitely showed signs of having been raced early in its life. In that one cobbled installation, I think they discovered how difficult it actually was and decided not to build any others with Cadillac engines. Darrin's crew were autobody craftsmen, but not hot-rod chassis builders.
They may have installed other V8s, since I heard the rumor at the time, of an Oldsmobile or Pontiac V8 engine installation, but they still would have had to deal with the height of the steering box. Have any of those shown up? The photo above in this thread, shows a car claimed to have a V8.
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Fifteen years ago I bought Darrin #30. Shortly after my purchase I was contacted by a fellow who obtained a Darrin in trade for moving a grand piano. It turned out that the Darrin was originally only about a half mile from my house. The new owner wasn't much further away and was looking for information on the car so I stopped by for a visit. I was astonished to find the car equipped with a V8 engine.
The car, at that time, had a late 50s Chev small block Corvette engine in it that was mated to a standard transmission. What really caught my eye was the engine sitting next to the car. The owner said it was in the car but was stuck so the previous owner swapped it for the Corvette engine. It was a Cadillac V8 and attached to it was a LaSalle short throw three speed. Unfortunately, I didn't get the numbers off the car but I do have a rather poor picture of it. I don't think the car started out life painted red.
The owner did not want to sell the car - he said he was going to restore it for his daughter. I learned a few years later that he had sold it.
I'm not saying this is the fabled V8 Darrin, but it is an amazing coincidence.
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Perhaps what's needed is a Darrin V8 Registry.
Might be a short list, but it would contain the vehicles that currently have V8s installed, along with their serial numbers.
These are all very special cars in their own right, because they bring out the higher performance potential of the Darrin design,
no matter which engine is installed.
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Unfortunately, I didn't get the numbers off the car but I do have a rather poor picture of it.
Joe, I can't get the picture to enlarge. Is it a problem with my computer, or is the picture really tiny? :)
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The text a the bottom of the photo indicates it's a thumbnail. If it's clicked-on back at the source, it might reveal the larger shot. I had the same problem.
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I sold a Darrin about twenty years ago to a fellow in Denver who claimed that he had about eight of them. I sold him two Glasspars with hard tops at the same time. I don't know if he is still around but someone must know about that many Darrin's in one collection. My car number is in the Darrin Registry and it had an Olds Rocket engine in it but I don't remember what year V-8 it had. The conversion was done probably twenty years before I purchased the car. Dutch advertised his car for sale for a long time before he sold it and I am sure that he only converted that one car.
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It is a small picture. I have a hard copy and will locate and scan it.
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I wanted to rename this thread, due to facts discovered on this forum. Thanks, guys!
It's apparent now, that while Laura Maxine Elmer raced the car at the March 1955 Palm Springs event, she never actually owned the car, as mentioned by DTort, above. Howard Darrin simply asked her to drive it, as she was already a successful driver, having won the women's race at this track a year earlier, in a Jaguar 120.
After the '55 race, it was taken back to Darrin's studio on Sunset Blvd. and remained on display as an example and was eventually sold, after quite some time, as Gordie stated in a reply above. I had long wondered, if this car was hers, why it fell into such disrepair, being stored outside, etc. Whomever bought the car from Darrin must have paid much less for it and didn't give it the garage storage it deserved.
Thanks so much for this information. Steve Karlock and I discussed some of the car's history as I worked on the restoration almost 30 years ago and while he did attempt to speak with Darrin family members at the time, they seemed unwilling to supply any further details. This is all making sense, now!
Time heals all wounds and Howard Darrin would now be very pleased to see how revered the production Darrins and the special V8 version have become, with these other cars converted over the years!
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Jake, Isn't that a photo of Lee Abrahams' V8 Darrin with a 502 crate engine?
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I sold a Darrin about twenty years ago to a fellow in Denver who claimed that he had about eight of them. I sold him two Glasspars with hard tops at the same time. I don't know if he is still around but someone must know about that many Darrin's in one collection. My car number is in the Darrin Registry and it had an Olds Rocket engine in it but I don't remember what year V-8 it had. The conversion was done probably twenty years before I purchased the car. Dutch advertised his car for sale for a long time before he sold it and I am sure that he only converted that one car.
He just sold all of them but one... I might have a picture of the Olds Rocket engine.. Was the front end modified???
It was stock looking and an un-restored car. I have a picture of it somewhere and will try to find it. It was a Los Angeles car most of its life.