Kaiser Frazer Owners Club Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: joefrazer on September 08, 2017, 07:36:04 PM
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We know that the 2018 National meet will be held in Kingsport, Tennessee but to my knowledge, a location for the 2019 meet has not yet been determined. I have something in mind but don't want to step on any toes if someone else is already working on hosting the meet.
If there's talk of a location, please let me know.
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You should contact John Buckinger, we were talking about that yesterday.
Lee
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So, we've been in contact with the Dayton (Ohio) convention and visitors bureau and they would very much like us to hold our 2019 convention the their city. In addition to the Wright Patterson Air Force Museum, the city also hosts a minor league baseball team (something different to do), as well as being a short drive to the Kings Island amusement park. They've also promised other activities too.
While nothing is set in stone, the folks from the bureau said they would assemble a list of hotels that would met our needs (parking, swap space, hospitality room, meeting rooms, etc) in addition to ensuring ease of access. With three major interstates running thru or around the city, as well as three major airports close by, getting there and back shouldn't be a concern for anyone.
Again, this is only a proposal at this time - no commitment has been made - but it is worth thinking about. 2019 is a long way off but putting together conventions takes time to be sure we end up with a meet to remember.
Your thoughts?
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That would be great!
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I lived in East Tennessee for many of my formative years so I am biased towards a National in Kingsport.
However, I don't recall a KF National held in Ohio. I have had to drive through that state to get to several other KF Nationals.
It is encouraging that the Dayton OH Visitors Bureau is interested. Frankly our convention is on the high side of a small attraction. If the Visitors Bureau is enthusiastic, perhaps a better motel deal can be cut.
How exciting is Dayton OH? Wright-Patterson AFB is a good start, but I have found that most areas have plenty of attractions nearby. Just start digging.
I will point out that one of the earliest KF Nationals was held in Wichita KS during a summer month.
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Attached is a list of all national meet location. Ohio hosted twice - but that was a long time ago!
I had to save my Word doc as plain text because the Word file format isn't permitted here.
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Jake: We had a Midwest Divisional Meet at Harold Warp's Museum in Minden NE. Just a fast trip through his museum was a 9AM to 2 PM trip. Bill Dalzell almost had to go to the hospital because of breathing problems. It turns out the grain silo across the street was blowing a large amount of particulates at 7 stories above street level and no one saw it it unless they almost straight looked up. There was also 1 or more feed lots on the outskirts of town so there was a number of flies in the area. The locals were so used to it, they didn't notice!
But I agree, there can be enough attractions to entertain in KS, NE, and even non-Sturgis SD.
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I think Dayton, Ohio would be great, but I have selfish motives ----- distance.
I don't go to car events for other things to do (although I recognize that many folks do).
I go to see the cars! And hopefully LEARN more about them, especially mechanically; and also to socialize with other owners.
Most of my attendance has been for Corvairs, with an occasional Nash. I have only briefly been to one KF area show a few years ago.
Here's hoping!
Kevin
Medina, OH
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After looking at Jim's list of Nationals, I think, just my opinion, Dayton Ohio is "pretty close" to Tennessee.
And no offense to Dayton, but it does not jump off the map as a place I want to go to.
I live in Des Moines, Iowa and the Olds Club of America had a National meet here INDOORS at our A/C convention center. I still would not highly recommend Des Moines, any more than Dayton.
It's tough, but basically I would personally choose spots with good drive-ins (not the movie variety, but routes to get to the meet. I would choose nostalgic opportunities, automotive and/or transportation museums.
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How about a north central location such as New York? This would swing it back NE. Then back to mid west then west.
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The Southern Michigan and Northern Indiana area is loaded with car museums. We did go to Shipshewana a few years ago but it has been a long time since we have visited the Detroit area and it is full of old car history including Kaiser-Frazers'. The Mid-West is more centrally located with a large population of our members and it is equal distance from both coasts which means that more members can get there.
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National meets are hosted by the club's divisions. There are three - Eastern, Midwest, and Western and the meet rotates thru each one, year after year. The 2018 meet is in the Eastern division, so for 2019 it's up to the Midwest folks to host. Dayton was proposed because the convention and visitors bureau has been in contact with the club for some time and we thought that since they have their ducks in a row, we'd let them assemble a list of things to do and places to go...which would take some of the burden off club members. If you've ever hosted a large scale event, then you know what it takes to make it happen. Letting someone else do that much really makes planning much easier and less stressful. I'm the Vice President of another foundation (not old car related) and I work with a small team to host a yearly event that draws several thousand people so I can tell you that a little help like this goes a long way!
While the Dayton site is not cast in granite, no one else from the division has stepped up to the plate and offered to host. So, we're going to take at least the next step and meet with the bureau folks and take a driving tour of some of the places they'd like us to visit. If we like what we see, we will move forward with formally proposing Dayton as the site for the 2019 KFOCI convention.
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Air Force Museum...that would be almost a full day:-), Wright Cycle Complex, Packard Museum....Great potential!
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I chose my words carefully because if you and others are willing to push Dayton along then those of us on the outside basically not doing anything should not impede that process. I know national meets and shows are a lot of work.
I was not entirely aware of the regions. After it goes back out west, and returns I think the next Midwest meet should be a homecoming of sorts.
Some clubs do that, where they meet once every few years as a homecoming.
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While the Dayton site is not cast in granite, no one else from the division has stepped up to the plate and offered to host. So, we're going to take at least the next step and meet with the bureau folks and take a driving tour of some of the places they'd like us to visit. If we like what we see, we will move forward with formally proposing Dayton as the site for the 2019 KFOCI convention.
True or False: you already presented this at the recent Midwest Meet & it was turned down.
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It is still open for someone to host correct?
Correct. If you or anyone else in the Midwest Division is interested in hosting the 2019 National the proper protocol is to present your plan to your Region Manager first (to verify support in the region) who will forward it to the Division Director who will present it (and any others received) to the division members at the 2018 Midwest Spring Meet in May in Mt Pleasant Iowa for review/discussion/approval.
It's a large undertaking, so you need to have a well thought out plan, not just a list of suggestions for someone else to do.
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Here are 2 thoughts about National Convention locations. If you pick a spot that is too enchanting you get into several problems. 1st, may be a lot of other people want to visit the same area which leads to competition for, and higher prices on the accommodations. 2nd, if there are that many boffo attractions, no one is going to be at the host hotel to buy parts and interact when civilians come by to look at the cars.
In regards to the 2nd thesis, I am specifically thinking of the National in Portland OR where everyone disappeared on tours after 8 AM and didn't show back at the hotel until 6 PM.
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OK, the KFOCI Constitution calls for a rotation of National Meet locations. The purpose is that every member in a Division has an opportunity to participate in a National that is relatively close every 3 years. The burden was placed on the Divisional Directors to find members willing to organize a Convention. In previous years there were members who were quite experienced in organizing a National Meet But they were in the upper Midwest or the NY/PA area. If you have an idea for a specific area or place and are willing to take on the burden, tell your Manager and Director. I know your Division Director will appreciate it!
PS: Studebaker Drivers Club Constitution required their National Convention to be held in South Bend every 3rd year. It didn't work out.
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Who is my Manager and Director. in the HOA area..
Due to the recent changes in many positions a list will be printed in the NOV Bulletin of all club officers & "staff" but to answer your immediate question, the new Midwest Division Director is Mike Neubecker and the HOA Manager is still Stacy Minson.
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Here are 2 thoughts about National Convention locations. If you pick a spot that is too enchanting you get into several problems. 1st, may be a lot of other people want to visit the same area which leads to competition for, and higher prices on the accommodations. 2nd, if there are that many boffo attractions, no one is going to be at the host hotel to buy parts and interact when civilians come by to look at the cars.
In regards to the 2nd thesis, I am specifically thinking of the National in Portland OR where everyone disappeared on tours after 8 AM and didn't show back at the hotel until 6 PM.
Our National and Regional meets are really for the pleasure of the members, not people who may stop by. The Portland meet kept us entertained the whole time with displays, museums and tours. There was time allotted for looking, swapping and tire kicking and a great awards dinner and we could never ask for anything more than what the Regions and National provide us. It is a lot of work and planning by many people and we are lucky to have so much talent and energy in our club. We do not know where 2019 will bring us to but be prepared to have a great time with your fellow members and car owners. There are eight regional meets coming up before our National Meet in Kingsport TN. Can you handle that much fun?
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Our lists are only as good as the information that is received from members Members can go to our KFOCI site and update their contact information. Mike Neubecker's information has been in the rosters for about fifty years.
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PS: Studebaker Drivers Club Constitution required their National Convention to be held in South Bend every 3rd year. It didn't work out.
Can you elaborate why it did not work out? And why would they maybe not amend to every 4 years, or 5 years? A homecoming is a good idea, in my opinion. Every 3 years might be too soon.
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The Early Ford V-8 Club also has a return to Detroit every five years. The turnouts are large and there are more automotive things to do around Detroit than anywhere in the U.S. They call it their "Grand National" meet. There were also two Kaiser Factories in Ohio. The Shady Willow press plant was in Shadyside Ohio and the Kaiser Frazer Parts Corp. was in Struthers Ohio. Both are in Eastern Ohio and are not well known K-F plants and would be interesting to see if the buildings are still there. Postcards exist that picture them. Is anyone familiar with their current status?
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The building in Struthers still exists...at least it did about four years ago when I last drove by it.
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I joined the Studebaker Drivers Club back in 1968! I haven't been a continuous member thought. I have learned a lot from they way they do business.. mostly what to avoid.
The SDC National every 3 years in South Bend worked about 3 times and then the membership conveniently put it at the back of their minds.
I have been told that the people in South Bend preferred not to be reminded of the Studebaker Corporation. I recall some claim that just under 50% of the families there had members who were employed by Studebaker. So it is reasonable to think that a big, big part of the people there felt let down when Studebaker closed up operations.
I attended the SDC National when they had it in South Bend after a gap of some 20 years. There were still a lot of the old factory buildings around, vacant. The town was trying as fast as they could to remove those buildings and redevelop the center of town.
The tourist bureau was excited to lure the SDC back as often as possible, but you have to remember, they were thinking about hotel revenue and food spending and they didn't really reflect the opinion of the town residents.
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...there is a possibility that one of the Ford Clubs will be down in Dayton in 2019...similar situation, of going through the process...I should find out at our meeting Thursday
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I emailed Mike Neubecker . It came back to me.. can not delivery.
Perhaps you had a typo? I sent you a private email with his email address (unchanged for many, many years).
Maybe each Manager and Director. could help out to make sure the list is correct.
Actually, keeping the membership file up-to-date and accurate is the responsibility of the club Secretary - BUT - it can only be accomplished if the member provides the current/correct info.
I got my address changed but my phone number did not get updated.
If you're still unable to update it online yourself, send an email with the updated info to: secretary@kfclub.com Be sure to include your name & member # with the update request/notice.
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Do you need to be current member to be able to update the files?
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Yes, only current members have the ability to update their membership file.
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A meet in Michigan is under discussion with several parties including Mike Neubecker, Midwest Division Manager.
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A meet in Michigan is under discussion with several parties including Mike Neubecker, Midwest Division Manager.
Just got a newsletter from Mike today..
asking for locations for the 2019 meet..
Maybe Hartland, Wisconsin??
My two cents - have it with another car show or orphan car show.. Not to join them but the same date.. or join them to show off the cars..
....but you are no longer a member so will you re-join or ? ...
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Thanks for volunteering Jake, but Yes you do have to be a member to be involved in hosting.
Thanks for the News letter Mike. It is fantastic.
I hope to see everyone at the Midwest meet next week.