Kaiser Frazer Owners Club Forum
General Category => Virginians, Hardtops, Convertibles, & Dragons => Topic started by: G.B. (All Vinyl Dragon) on July 31, 2007, 01:05:58 PM
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Thought I would Start a Dragon Topic. I love all the Kaiser Frazer Willy's Products. Some will say I am stuck on the All Vinyl Dragon subject ? In My Research I have learned a lot of all the K.F.& W. Vehicles. Most important I have meet some of the most wonderful People in the World in My Research in Our Club. I will post more info about My story later. Plus want to lean more of what other K.F.O.C. Club members have learned. This is what its all about... G.B. LM 4307
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Hi, I'm G.B.Bonham LM 4307 K.F.O.C. Member. I to with the help of the Kaiser-Frazer Club found My Dad & Mom Dragon in 7 Months after not knowing what happened to it in 14 Years. We lost it after My Dad passed in California & moved back to the Mid West.We gave it to some friends & they sold it in 1965. I found it in 1979. Folks this was before the day of the computer. I talked to People in the Club all over the Country on the Phone. Some You had to write because they only had the Name & Address . The man that has it did not want to sell. This was fine because it was his First Car & now in his Collection. So a member in Minnesota wanted to sell His A/V Dragon to make room for the Kaiser Airport Bus. I was lucky to that this Dragon was owned by The Man that started the Dragon List of Owners Dragon in the Club Tom Behnke. He found out about a rare Dragon called an All Vinyl Dragon. Paint 099, Trim 5312. The last Quarterly from the K.F.O.C. Club has a picture on page 2. of the back seat. The supplier was the Carpenter Vinyl Company. Richard Langworth The Last Onslaught on Detroit also was starting a list.I passed the list on to Harold Hagen
http://www.eskimo.com/~hhagen/reg/reg.htm . Many Club members have had People contact me if any questions about All Vinyl Dragons. If You have one & I know You , Please email & say Hi... Please Anyone that has one also email Me so we can meet. In the past had Tops , Gold , Chrome done for Dragon owners. may start again if needed. Best Regards G.B. Bonham ... email at: gbbonham2000@yahoo.com ..... Best, G.B.
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Please anybody ??? Let us know what Color & interior combination of Your Dragon... If You have an All Vinyl Dragon Please respond... If You have found a new Dragon that is not in Our Club or just joined Please respond...
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1951 Jade :o
Mine is 1953 , Dragon Whisperer do You have a 51 Dragon ? G.B.
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Good to here someone drop by the Dragon Forum ... Wish the Forum would send Emails when someone respones on a topic. Even better any entry's on any forum topic , I would like a response...
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Just want to contact anyone interested in "vinyl Dragons." My '53 Holly Mist green vinyl Dragon has been in the family since my Dad purchased it in '59. All the mechanicals have been restored. The interior is excellent [except for the carpet]. Currently, we are thinking about restoring the white vinyl top. Would welcome any info about other Dragons or tips for restoration.
Fred Owens, York County, PA
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I also have a 53 Dragon, I dont know the the official name of the color, but it is a metallic burgandy or wine red color with a matching interior. I too will need to redo the vinyl top.It has a white top and should be a straw bambu from what I can tell. It looks to me like the front and rear glass would need to be taken out to put a fresh top on. Does anyone here have experience with them? I have heard it takes about six yards of bambu vinyl to replicate the factory top, does this sound correct? If so, its over $500.00 just for the vinyl.
Chris
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I have a Vinyl Dragon as well, but Gerald knows about it via Bobby Roads. It is like most of the other known Vinyl Dragons - Holly Frost. At one time the Club thought about 20 or so Vinyl Dragons were made, but there are nearly that many known now.
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Hi, Just a Quick Note: I got to see first hand all of the Vinyl for the All Vinyl Dragon. I have known Richard Hanson for a long time, but got to meet in Person last Summer. Looking at the Dragon Bambu Vinyl all looks correct to My Eye's for the Green. Have not got to see any the Color Bambu for other Dragons. Richard needs Credit for finding the rollers in Japan. Plus finding a person to produce it. In the 80's & 90's I had Tops made for the All Vinyl Dragon's. Off White Poplin. Vinyl makers have other names for it Today. I will get with the Top maker but been waiting for Other Colors to be produced in the Bambu to be produced... Please respond on what You know about the Bambu ? What Color have You had made... Best, G.B.
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PICKED UP ANOTHER DRAGON, BLACK & WHITE. MARIE NICHOLS TYPE BODY GOOD, 2 REAR DOOR BOTTOM RUSTY,LEFT REAR QUARTER LIGHTLY DENTED. P/S P/B WINDSHIELD WASHER,DOOR GARDS.
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Dragon & Other K.F. owners please Note: The Story of Richard Hansen in the Last Two K.F.O.C. New Letter on finding the Vinyl Rollers. Plus finding some one that would produce the Vinyls again for Our Club. This will help anyone restore the K.F. product that has the Vinyls in them. We now can do Bambu Tops for other Dragons. I was the one getting the White Tops done in the 80's-90's ... Lets everybody give Richard a big thanks & Thumb's Up. Best, G.B. Bonham L.M. 4307 Here is His email... mr_blueberry30@hotmail.com
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This is great that we now have reproduction upholstery for our Dragons (and other models). I'm using mine as a driver for now, but sometime in the future I will definitely be checking out some new material.
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Yes , All Do to Richard Hansen finding the rollers . Plus someone to make it... G.B.
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Information on the Dragons, Mine is COMPLETE with all new vinyl interior. ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS -- the maroon color was called MAROON VELVET and the material for the top is STRAW COLOR Contact jim Betts pacific n/w he bought some from SMS in may and brought it to the Yreka meet along with the PEA****** BLUE interior color for the head liner and seats. Jim took non deteriorated original samples with him and ask if they could duplicate it. He was STUNNED THAT THEY HAD IT IN STOCK with a perfict match for all of it. SMS HAS ALL THE KAISER COLORS 1947-1955 from original factory materials it takes 6 yards for the vinyl top. at this time the material it running $<$90> per yard. all vinyl top material is now called PIN CRUSH. RICHARD #3719
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Very good info, thanks. Any news about how the quality of the laguna cloth is. I'm not ready yet, but in the future I will want to buy some of the black on white laguna and black bambu vinyl.
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Test, Any other Dragon topic's ... Its been a bit from when I got Here...
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GB, The latest on the all vinyl Dragon that took GOLD at San Diego. after many members young and old trying to figure out WHY THE D---car ran so badly we went thru the ign. carb etc. again. finally found the problem !! the stock air cleaner looked great from the outside BUT the horse hair stuff on the inerds was caked with hard dried oil and dirt. and would not clean up. with it in place it would run kind of , but so rich it would die. my fix i used the same paper air cleaner that was used on the tow motor fork lift with the L-226 and the AMC Plymouth,Nash Hudson etc. I modified the inside of the stock air cleaner and now its quiet runs down the road and still looks stock. the NAPA # IS FIL2110
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FYI.
Carb cleaner works great on this type of problem. It will remove old gunk easily after several
applications. I don't know if the new carb cleaner works as well as the old (it was powerful
stuff), but it's worth a try. Clean the unit off the car because this stuff may discolor paint etc.
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Dusty, I would appreciate a picture of your air cleaner modification as I may want to do the same on my Dragon.
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your MarieNichols Laguna cloth is made to order in YOUR yardage requirementadd 1/3 to the order to do the tuck & roll. There is Very limited requests as there wasn't that many Dragons made to expend money to stock the material in quanity. the colors were BLACK, MAROON GREEN AND BLUE . I had supplied SMS with the positive and negative to make NEW SILK SCREENS and Doug Pollack has DUPLICATED THE WEAVE AND TEXTURE IN THE CLOTH MATERIAL AND THE COLOR IS DEAD ON TO ORIGINAL. A special note the owner of SMS Doug Pollack had owned a 53 Dragon and Darrin along with a 57 ford retractable hardtop, took them to EUROPE TO SELL TO FINANCE HIS TRIP. The ford sold, the DRAGON sold and he had to bring the Darrin back. One of our members is the present owner of the Darrin -----so Doug has a soft spot for our KAISER'S FRAZERS ETC. Richard Hansen #3719
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Green Dragon Larry Rodkey has a frosted Holly Green Dragon Larry lives in Elk Grove Ca. both his and my Green Dragon were at the San Diego national, it was said that it was the first time EVER that there were TWINS at a meet
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in 12/18/2008 Harold Hagen published a list of Dragons and it appears there were 21 with the code 5312 and who had them and what state. there is a code as to the condition of the car ie. tbr to be restored--hb has been--J junked---gmr ?? hagans web www.eskimo.com/
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Dusty,
Hi , I wanted to Update on this subject. This is for K.F. Nationals Only... In July 1981 Wichita We had 2- All Vinyl Dark Green 099/5312... We had 3 at a Meet in St. Louis in 1986. 2 like mine & 1- Ivory 106/5311 like Johnsons. Then one like mine was not a member Yet showed up. The Name was Clyde Horton from MI. If anyone knows them or Family have them get in touch... In the June 1992 New Braunfels , TX We had 3 like Mine. But I had 2 so that don't count in the Vote... Ha !!!
Yes , Rodkey & Hansen's All Vinyl Dragon's the Best... I hope to One Day get to a Meet so We can have some Fun.
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I was looking through a recent quarterly today. There was a Dragon article which refered to GB as "John Bohnam." Seems some author has been listening to too many Led Zeppelin albums! Anyway, the Dragons are really cool and that Onxy car I believe was for sale in Edina, MN, just a few miles from me, a year or so ago. I never went to look at it. I don't like to look at cars that I know I can't get!
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Clicking on the link to the Registry leads me to an Eskimo website.
So, is there an official Dragon Registry?
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The KFOCI registry is part of that website. If you follow thorugh on the home page, you will get to a display of information and you can scroll down the make modle info to K530 Dragon.
The only problem with this list is that some people sending information did not send complete (or identify that a tag was off the car) and that there was no way to indicate status (junked, parts, car, restored, etc). However, it does have some good info in it.
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You can also go to the opening page of this site and click on "Registeries" and choose "Kaiser Frazer Registry" and it takes you to Harold's page which provides a link.
Otherwise, click here http://www.eskimo.com/~hhagen/reg/reg.htm
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I have enjoyed this post. I always thought the Dragon was a cool car, although it really is a over priced Manhattan, I'd still love to have one. I looked at the rooster, and the eraliest one known for 53 ( outside the show cars x ) is body #15, yet, the Onxy one in Mo, is # 14, just thought that was interesting. Any idea what the blue one in Ill, number is? thayt one I have thought about getting. The only complaint I have with this post, is when I clicked on Eskimo, and clicked on the game link, now my daughter wants on my computer, haha, Great post, love hearing about these wonderful Willow run Automobiles.
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The custom-order 1953 Dragon does NOT count with the 1,253 regular production Dragons. Please refer to the info on 1953 Kaiser Dragons and the chicago 6-pack spec ials in KFOCI HANDBOOK Version 4.0.
Members were given a wealth of information that took years to compile; please use it or there is no point to doing the Handbook again.
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There were 3 batch runs of the regular Dragons (the specials with leather and special paint are NOT part of the group) according to what is presently known. This reflects being able to get slots at Ionia Body Company who applied the tops and did the final assembly work on the first 2 batches. Black dragons were only in the first group as far as it is known. There were too many problems with the lacquer application (paint would run, orange peel, etc). This is covered in Richard Langworth's article on the KAISER DRAGON in a past issue of COLLECTABLE AUTOMOBILE.
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I wanted everybody to Note : In the Cars for sale about a Rare Black Dragon ... I have emailed Club members as well ... 51 Frazer Manhattan has some wonderful Pictures as well... Please have a look here : http://kfclub.com/forum/index.php/topic,3630.0.html
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I was looking through a recent quarterly today. There was a Dragon article which refered to GB as "John Bohnam." Seems some author has been listening to too many Led Zeppelin albums! Anyway, the Dragons are really cool and that Onxy car I believe was for sale in Edina, MN, just a few miles from me, a year or so ago. I never went to look at it. I don't like to look at cars that I know I can't get!
Yes, It is Me G.B. but thats how He remembers Me...
An Update Today 3/19/2012
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Dusty,
Hi , I wanted to Update on this subject. This is for K.F. Nationals Only... In July 1981 Wichita We had 2- All Vinyl Dark Green 099/5312... We had 3 at a Meet in St. Louis in 1986. 2 like mine & 1- Ivory 106/5311 like Johnsons. Then one like mine was not a member Yet showed up. The Name was Clyde Horton from MI. If anyone knows them or Family have them get in touch... In the June 1992 New Braunfels , TX We had 3 like Mine. But I had 2 so that don't count in the Vote... Ha !!!
Yes , Rodkey & Hansen's All Vinyl Dragon's the Best... I hope to One Day get to a Meet so We can have some Fun.
3/19/2012
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I checked out the Maroon paint on the DRAGONS called Maroon Velvet and is the same as Cardinal Maroon. Ditzler enamel code DQE50070-- lacquer code DAL50070 These codes now relate to PPG any ppg paint store can get the paint mix on line or on CD Disk
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Dusty,
Would You list the Color Codes of the Dragons with current #'s ? If it is not a Hard Task...
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The PPG set-up is supposed to work off the PAINT number found on car data plates. The jobber you take this info to should contact the PPG Color Library for the mixing information; they will not have it on hand unless they already mixed the color for someone else in the recent past. The Color Library will pull their original paint chip standard from the storage vault and scan it with a computer based spectrometer. It will "read" the chip and print out the current mixing forumla (if it can be devised) for the jobber. NOTE THERE IS NO CHARGE TO THE JOBBER BY THE COLOR LIBRARY FOR THIS SERVICE. The expectation is that the jobber will get a paint sale. Normally the jobber will not disclose the actual formula; this is a suggestion by PPG and not an effort of being nasty. PPG does not disclose formulas to the general public, only to their jobbers.
It should be noted that there are some "exotic" K-F colors that Ditzler (PPG) did not offer as a mix. Also, they have colors going back to the 1920's and that some colors may be lacquer only and some may be enamel only.
For more info on this, contact the PPG Customer Service area of their website and let them know you are inquiring about antique automobile paint.
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Thanks, KaiserFrazerLibrary
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Please Note : We now have a New forum Section for Special Rare K.F. Product... look in the Gen. Category:
Virginians, Hardtops, Convertibles, & Dragons ...
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Please Note : We now have a New forum Section for Special Rare K.F. Product... look in the Gen. Category:
Virginians, Hardtops, Convertibles, & Dragons ...
Great Job Mr. Moderator..... Best , G.B. (AVD)
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Rumor has it that Bill Tilden will be bringing the 1951 Silver Dragon prototype (see Last Onslaught color section) to Sweetwater this summer. Last I heard, he was going thru mechanicals on a car that's been sitting for at least 10 years. Keep your fingers crossed.
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Just added G.P.S. to my DRAGON yes its still 6v pos ground. hid the plug in, and most of the wire, stuck the screen in the windshield. Visitors just scratch their heads.
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Just added G.P.S. to my DRAGON yes its still 6v pos ground. hid the plug in, and most of the wire, stuck the screen in the windshield. Visitors just scratch their heads.
Good Idea !!!
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Rumor has it that Bill Tilden will be bringing the 1951 Silver Dragon prototype (see Last Onslaught color section) to Sweetwater this summer. Last I heard, he was going thru mechanicals on a car that's been sitting for at least 10 years. Keep your fingers crossed.
Wonderful ... I Have not got to see this One in a long time...
It would be good to see the Henry Kaiser 1951 Green-White Top Dragon with Ralph Nader Stop Light in the back glass to...
I also wonder How many Early 51 Dragons that don't have a Vinyl Top is still in the Club ?
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Note:
I found Out why I was not getting a response on Kaiser Frazer Forum when someone responded to Post's. I had it set right but My email address was Off by one letter. Check Yours at Profile settings...
If anyone tried to email Me I may not of got it. Please Try again.
If here or any email on Dragons I get, I will respond if get a Question. If I don't have an answer I will try to get...
Best, G.B.
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Does anyone have the door gard factory chrome accessories installed on their all vinyl Dragon? i have a set and don't know if they detract or add visually to the car. I am reluctant to install them without some guidance, same as for the gas tank chrome guard.
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Now I'm intrigued about "non-metal toppings" for the Kaiser-Frazer cars.
I had the idea that
1) All 53 Kaiser Dragons came with a vinyl roof, even if they were not a two-tone.
2) All 1949-(50) Kaiser Virginian hardtops came with a roof topping. Was is vinyl or muslin/poplin fabric?
3) All 51 Frazers including the hardtops came WITHOUT a roof topping.
4) All 51 Kaiser (Manhattan) Dragons came WITHOUT a roof topping
Other than that in 1 or 2, no metal roofed KF cars before 1954 had a vinyl or fabric covering as a regular factory feature...
Am I right?
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Now I'm intrigued about "non-metal toppings" for the Kaiser-Frazer cars.
I had the idea that
1) All 53 Kaiser Dragons came with a vinyl roof, even if they were not a two-tone.
2) All 1949-(50) Kaiser Virginian hardtops came with a roof topping. Was is vinyl or muslin/poplin fabric?
3) All 51 Frazers including the hardtops came WITHOUT a roof topping.
4) All 51 Kaiser (Manhattan) Dragons came WITHOUT a roof topping
Other than that in 1 or 2, no metal roofed KF cars before 1954 had a vinyl or fabric covering as a regular factory feature...
Am I right?
Jim,
Sorry, I was talking about the 51 Dragons... The Early Dragon package had Two Tone Paint but no Vinyl Top. Late had Tops Vinyl.
The 1952 Year was a short Year in Production. Then late 1952 come the 1953 Kaiser Dragons.
All 1953 Dragons had a Vinyl Sport Top... Bambu, Poplin - Calvary Grained Canvas, Rust Color Boucle on the Rare Turquoise Dragon. Remember Though if You have a Paint 999/Trim 888 it could be anything someone Special Ordered.
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Ah...I had forgotten about the late 51 Dragons. I have seen several of the early 51 Dragons with different two tone paint schemes, and each time they looked somehow like a car that should have had a vinyl roof but somehow didn't. Hard to explain, I know, but they just seemed different somehow from the regular two-tone cars. seemed a slight letdown.
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Jim, You are correct on all the others on Sport Top.
Did You see a Member found again One of the Two Black 53 Dragons on the Dragon List ?
Pictures in Auto for Sale here in K.F.O.C. Forum. I hope a Dragon Club Member restores the Black Dragon with it being so Rare...
It is Black with a Black Bambu Top. So Your correct this is Black on Black not a Two tone.
1.) ( All 53 Kaiser Dragons came with a vinyl roof, even if they were not a two-tone.)
Also Note: When I had the White Poplin Tops made with proper seams, 1 or 2 Club Members ordered a Top because We did not have Bambu. Died it the Color the Top should be.
We now Thanks To: Richard Hansen & SMS have Bambu & other K.F. Vinyls reproduced with Perfect Color. Problem solved...
G.B.
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Here is how to clean your top from G.B.
http://circlekf.com/kflit/SB/KFSB417/KFSB417.pdf (http://circlekf.com/kflit/SB/KFSB417/KFSB417.pdf)
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Jim Betts,
Thanks Looks Great...
One of Our Club members gave Me this Original Copy of Sport Top Service Bulletin # 417 at a K.F. meet. This when I was getting the White Poplin Tops made for All Vinyl Dragons.
I also found 3 more All Vinyl Dragons when they said this is the Top on My Dragon...
Keep up the Wonderful work Your doing for the Club.
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Does anyone have the door gard factory chrome accessories installed on their all vinyl Dragon? i have a set and don't know if they detract or add visually to the car. I am reluctant to install them without some guidance, same as for the gas tank chrome guard.
Dusty, I have the Gas Guards on both of Mine. One come with & one I put on. This was because Our Original Dragon had it.
The Door Guard Factory Chrome accessories ? Is that the extra drip loop above the side Door glass? I thought about that. You can roll Your glass down some & water wont come in...
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Kaiser-Frazer offered the chrome strip door moldings starting in 1952 for Kaisers and then expanded to Henry J's in 1953. I've attached broadsides showing the ventshades for windows and the door moldings. Ventshade broadside is from 1949.
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Thanks kaiserfrazerlibrary, I thought this was what Dusty was talking about.
Door Gard We do a lot Today still. It does protect the Paint.
Vintshades is practical but did not have it on one of My Dragons Yet.
Dusty it is up to You.
I do like the Reverse lights on one of my Dragons. It also has fog lights on both. I have used them in fog.
I sometimes like to see 1953 Kaiser Product without Fog lights on the front. So wish one did not have them. Again Our original did not have them so that may make Me bias...
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My '53 J had those door gaurds on it. I removed them when I had it painted back '01. I think they were after-market types but maybe I should install them again.
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Fid,
Thanks for all Your input to the forum. I just become a Jr. Member. So need to keep posting more to. wow look at You 1244.
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Thank you for the pictures, the I was able to expand the pics and the parts that i have look exactly the same and have a p/n on them , this convinces me to go ahead and install them along with the door vents that are nos still in the box.
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Dusty asked before in this forum about the initials on the Dragon List Harold Hagen has on the registry list of Dragons. Who had them and what state. there is a code as to the condition of the car ie. tbr to be restored--hb has been--J junked---gmr ??
I will to tell how the Dragon List got started as it was told to Me. I was lucky to My First Dragon I got was owned before by The Man that started the Dragon List of Owners in the Club Tom Behnke. He said to Me He found out about a rare Dragon called an All Vinyl Dragon.
Frosted Holly Green metallic / White Poplin- Calvery Canvas Top Paint 099, Interior Green Bambu with White Boucle Inserts Trim 5312.
Richard Langworth The Last Onslaught on Detroit also was starting a list.
The club registry form I think did have condition things like Show,Driver, TBR, Parts, J. for Junked.
On the Dragon list it is TBR = Tom Behnke Registry , HB = Richard Langworth Hand Book , & GMR = Gary Micauek Registry.
The Club Member that sold My Dragon to Me said if I ever sold My Dragon I was to pass the list to the New Owner. So when I heard We would put the lists on the New thing called Web - internet, I passed the list on to Harold Hagen
http://www.eskimo.com/~hhagen/reg/reg.htm .
I work hard to keep the list current. Rare Dragons like the Onyx Dragon on Cars for sale We need to keep track of it. You can help to as a Club Member. Any Dragon You find is important to check the list. If You know it sells try to get them to Join Our Club if not already. Harold Hagen updates often. If it is not on the list You have found one We never had in the club. So see it Is Rare.
It is Fun & We have been doing a Great Job. 1979 had 103 Dragons on the List, Now 172.
Many Club members have had People contact me if any questions about All Vinyl Dragons. If You have one & I know You , Please email & say Hi... Please Anyone has one also email Me so we may meet.
Note: This also includes the Ivory /Green Bambu Top Paint 106, Interior Green Bambu with Lt Green Boucle inserts Trim 5311.
Oh Yes, Everybody thought TBR was ( To be Restored )
Best Regards G.B. Bonham ... email at: gbbonham2000@yahoo.com .....
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I wanted everybody to Note : In the Cars for sale about a Rare Black Dragon ... I have emailed Club members as well ... 51 Frazer Manhattan has some wonderful Pictures as well... Please have a look here : http://kfclub.com/forum/index.php/topic,3630.0.html
Note: The other 53 Onyx Dragon on the Club registry list was at the New Braunfels, TX National in 1992. It was Hirsch from AZ.
Club Members say He has passed. So looking for the New Owner Today to update the Dragon List. Does anyone know about this other Onyx Dragon on the list ???
http://circlekf.com/kfcars/k5301.htm
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I wanted everybody to Note : In the Cars for sale about a Rare Black Dragon ... I have emailed Club members as well ... 51 Frazer Manhattan has some wonderful Pictures as well... Please have a look here : http://kfclub.com/forum/index.php/topic,3630.0.html
Note: The other 53 Onyx Dragon on the Club registry list was at the New Braunfels, TX National in 1992. It was Hirsch from AZ.
Club Members say He has passed. So looking for the New Owner Today to update the Dragon List. Does anyone know about this other Onyx Dragon on the list ???
http://circlekf.com/kfcars/k5301.htm
Hmmm. I answered this yesterday and now my answer has disappeared. Phil Hirsch was a SoCal member for many years. He bought his Onyx Dragon used in 1955. At some point, he repainted the black bamboo vinyl roof a creamy white because he thought it looked better. It kinda did look better, but that's opinion. Phil died in the early 1990's and I think Rock Brandt, another SoCal member. Rock moved to AZ and then he died. Maybe Bershauers own the car now. Steve Hermesch will probably know where it is now.
Phil and Rock were both active members back when SoCal had meets every month and high participation. Phil in his Dragon, Rock with his '52 2-door along with me in my Aero, Bob Metzel in his '47 Kaiser, John & June Parker in their '48 Brown Flash, Tom & Leona Hoffman in their '49 Academy Blue and the McManama family in their '53 Traveler all caravanned from SoCal to Ouray in 1985 for the National Meet. Quite a trip and quite a sight for hundreds of miles: 6 Kaisers and an Aero.
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Ooops, should've previewed before I posted. I had meant to say that I thought Rock Brandt bought Phil's Onyx out of the estate after Phil died.
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Yes, I have meet the late Phil Hirsch before at TX National & knew He was from S. California to.
I will check with Steve Hermesch to see if He remembers Who has the Onyx Dragon Now!!!
Just need to keep up with all the Rare K.F.O.C. Product & hope New Owners want to Join the Club if not Already...
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Gerald:
A Studebaker guy named John Brooks who lived in Mineral Wells had an Onyx Dragon. At one time it was at his shop on US 180 and that is where I saw it driving by. I talked to him at a regional Studebaker meet and when he told me he had a Dragon, I made the connection. I recall that he claimed the car came from the estate of a K-F guy who lived in Ft Worth.
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Correction: Weatherford TX on US 180, not Mineral Wells