Kaiser Frazer Owners Club Forum
General Category => Henry J & Allstate Forum => Topic started by: Corsairdeluxe on January 21, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
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It is listed as having been repainted original "latrine green". Is this a joke?
http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1951-Henry+J-Standard-1361108.xhtml
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Notice the engine. I wonder if it came from an ALLSTATE.
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This is interesting. No trunk,no glove box, bent tubing column support and 6 cyl. This was the configuration of the first 51's built.It's owned by a salesman at a used car dealer who has had it a short period of time and says he does not know much about it.That usually means he knows but does not want to answer.
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Fid ,,, Notice the brace from the engine head to the air cleaner. That's new to me.
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Does front bumper look right?
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Not a bad looking car! I'm sure that he is joking about the color!
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It looks like a fair attempt to duplicate Aloha Green. Had the info off the body tag near the driver side hood hinge area been given (or pictured) we would know for sure on original color. Also, we would know if the car is a "Standard" as the seller calls it (the K513 4 cylinder) or if it is a K514 and should have a 6 under the hood.
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That car was on ebay a couple of years ago. Remember the seller touted it as original "sportsman green." I know it sold but apparently not to a club member. That air cleaner brace is like the one used on the '47/'48 Kaisers and Frazers. Maybe the early ones had that??? I don't remember seeing it listed anywhere but who knows?
Dave, the front bumper looks right to me. The '51 Js have a flatter front bumper than the '52-'54s (except of course the '52 Vagabond).
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That is a very early 51. Notice the bent tubing column support and the fixed not opening vent window.Throw in the no trunk and no glove compartment and it is most unusual.
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Here is the data located on the left hinge pillar K-514-003625
The numbers of the plate of the left side of the firewall read like this
body paint trim
514 4 355 4404-2
Is paint #355 Aloha green?
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Pretty cool indeed. It also has the extension on the handbrake lever if I remember correctly which only the earliest Js had. No '51 J or '52 J Vagabond ever had glove box originally. Glove boxes weren't introduced till the '52 Corsairs (KF Service Bulletin 323 touts the new feature) and they were standard on all Js once they were introduced.
Paint code 355 is Ceramic green making the color match even closer in my opinion. I thought I read (but can't find now) the first 5000 Js were Aloha green. The open steering column was only featured on the first 6400 (KF factory bulletin says change took place at 514-007463) so this one is rare in that regard - open column and not Aloha green. Pretty cool.
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I'm sorry, but the seller says it's in "original condition" in the opening sentence. Then says the seats have been recovered, the engine rebuilt, and the car repainted. Not saying, just sayin... 8)
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Old thread but someone sent me this link again so I thought I'd go back and revisit. It looks like it's still for sale. Jim Brown, I noticed something this time that we didn't point out last time - look how flat and far back that floating grill is -that's not right. I wonder why it sits so far back in the middle?
Still not a bad example but I'd like to examine that floating grill to see what's up with it.
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Did you notice the placement of the heater shutoff valve?
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No, I didn't catch that. Interesting - it's up front on the water pump. In other words, careful if you're going to open it when the engine is running! That fan could do some damage to your knuckles. I wonder how it works? Probably just fine.
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At the PNW Spring Meet, May 2011 at DeGoede Plant Farm, near Mossy Rock, Washington. Not the same car though.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee71/Kaiser51/2011%20Spring%20Meet%20PNW%20KFOCI/IMG_0949.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/Kaiser51/media/2011%20Spring%20Meet%20PNW%20KFOCI/IMG_0949.jpg.html)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee71/Kaiser51/2011%20Spring%20Meet%20PNW%20KFOCI/IMG_0946.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/Kaiser51/media/2011%20Spring%20Meet%20PNW%20KFOCI/IMG_0946.jpg.html)
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Whats the purpose of the heater shut off valve? Just to bypass the heater core during the summer or is there another purpose? My car has one that is just stuck open.
David
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You got it Dave. The Henry J was a cost cutter and they didn't load it down with luxuries like a heater valve you could turn on/off from inside the car! You open it in the winter, then open the passenger side air vent so air can flow through the heater core and warm the inside of the car. The valve is supposed to be mounted at the rear of the cylinder head but in order to install the original type value, you had to remove a head bolt and a stud in order to thread it in. An owner of that car likely didn't want to do that and mounted it in the water pump outlet instead.
There is another way... and I've done it on mine. I'm not sure if I'd loose points for it, I don't think I did at Auburn, but NAPA has a valve that has a 45 degree spout on it which you can thread in without hitting the adjacent head bolt. Works fine and looks correct too, just won't match the one pictured in the parts book. I can't find the NAPA part number for it right now but I think it's still available.
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i thought 390 is alohagreen...?
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That is a very early 51. Notice the bent tubing column support and the fixed not opening vent window.Throw in the no trunk and no glove compartment and it is most unusual.
its what my car is
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Aloha Green can be various numbers - 390 is one of them
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and so can anybody who HAS PAINT CODES
POST them....
for the alohagreen
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The paint chip below shows the only paint Codes - 390 / 550 / 569
These are the only K-F Codes that point at Aloha Green in my database
http://circlekf.com/kfcars/colors.htm (http://circlekf.com/kfcars/colors.htm)
This page will let you see all the codes and lots of related documentation about the different Colors
http://circlekf.com/kfcars/kfsb183s3.pdf (http://circlekf.com/kfcars/kfsb183s3.pdf)
This Service Bulletin shows information on Aloha Green.
Hope this helps. ;D
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You will find a translation of paint code to paint color if you look up your particular vehicle type (K514, K522, etc) in the KFOCI HANDBOOK CD Version 5.0 which went out to all members (at that time) in the fall, and since then new members got it as part of their new member packet. Version 4.0 the earlier one on CD was not changed in this regard when the update came out.
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Old thread but I thought I'd add that I found the NAPA number for the heater valve with the 45 degree offset spout. It's NAPA 6601418, listed on their site for $29 so it's a bit more expensive but not having to remove a head bolt stud to mount it is worth a few dollars to me! I did not receive a deduction at Auburn for having one on my car. Also, once you attach he hose and route it, it is hardly noticeable that it's different. Here's the listing for it (picture's up-side-down for some reason)
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Result.aspx?Ntt%3d6601418%26Ntk%3dKeyword%26Nty%3d1%26Dn%3d0%26D%3d6601418%26Dk%3d1%26Dp%3d3%26N%3d0
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Alan Yhomas' HJ had a neat heater hose dirivative. Alan located a hose with a tight 90 degree turn on the end and that end he placed on the inlet to the heater. Really neat. I'm looking for a picture of it. I have it some where in the Dell swamp(my computer).
Does not show it all that well.
The second shot is Irv's 51,before he got the corectness religion, with a dash cable operated heater control valve.