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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #105 on: April 25, 2015, 06:37:44 PM »
Thank You, and thank you for some more information.
I agree the green Posie truck was ruined when hot rodded!

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #106 on: April 26, 2015, 01:52:48 PM »
Just to repeat what I know personally about the Posie/Ray Frazier/Ga truck, nothing documented, mostly anecdotal:

1. There was a one-page article about the truck in an old car hobby magazine, perhaps Cars & Parts in the 1970's or early 1980's stating the car had a Pontiac straight 8 and was built by Muntz. It had several pictures of the truck, one I remember was from the rear with "KAISER" on the tailgate.

2. It was owned for quite some time by Jim Davies of East Point, GA. I've been told that he fostered the Muntz connection, but I never met him and I might be repeating rumors.

3. I spent a lot of time with John Parker in the 1980's at his shop in Fullerton, CA. The subject of this truck came up and he told me that he examined this truck once and recognized a weld underneath that was done by him - WHEN THE TRUCK WAS STILL A 4-DOOR SEDAN. I do not remember the time frame from when John found the weld, but he was not in Southern California until at least the late 1950's and probably would not have seen the car before that time. I believe he saw it as a truck at a Kaiser Meet (perhaps the Atlanta National Meet in 1979).

4. It went thru an auction here in GA (early 1990's) several years after Jim died. I worked the auction for the auction company and got to examine the truck closely. It was white at the time and was fairly well executed during the conversion to a truck. It also sported chrome wire wheels with very thick spokes.

5. Several years later, Ray Frazier owned it.

So this particular truck, in my estimation, was not built by Muntz. Perhaps it was built by Jim Davies or maybe he bought it already converted, I don't know. I have to admit that I really liked this truck when I saw it at the auction and would really like to own it. I hope Mr. Posie enjoys it during his ownership.

I have no knowledge of the other trucks, so cannot confirm or deny their authenticity.
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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #107 on: April 29, 2015, 08:24:28 AM »
Looks like Kaiser imprinted (raised letters) on the tailgate and a state State Farm sticker on the bumper.
Jake as I said before good eye!
Could or would  a hack job have that on there or done like that? Probably not!at e the third lost Muntz truck!!! Lol

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #108 on: April 29, 2015, 08:27:13 AM »
If it's a four speed, west be on to something.  One of you guys needs to find the article in the Qaurterly about this truck to see what the say about it.
Very cool stuff Jake!

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #109 on: April 29, 2015, 08:38:19 AM »
Who owns the truck now?
Serial and body number would be very interesting!
We all just considered this truck a home built. Maybe not!

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #110 on: April 29, 2015, 09:25:24 AM »
What you're looking at on the tailgate is trunk script from a 1947/48 Kaiser.

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #111 on: April 29, 2015, 09:32:18 AM »
Can you show me a picture of one? Not familiar  with them!

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #112 on: April 29, 2015, 01:24:40 PM »
You mean a chrome script applied, like my Manhattan on the front fender. Would like to see better picture because it sure looks raised up in the metal like on a lot of old pickup tailgates.

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #113 on: April 29, 2015, 07:05:31 PM »
That would have to be a 1948 emblem as the '47's had individual letters.  Just more indication that this car was modified long after Muntz left the scene.  There is no such thing as a Muntz built truck!
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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #114 on: April 29, 2015, 08:23:37 PM »
 If theirs no proof Muntz made them, then there is no proof he didn't!  ;) It Sure is talked about a lot and a a great concept!
Thanks for your opinion!

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #115 on: April 29, 2015, 08:37:18 PM »
Here's a picture of the script as placed on a 1948 Kaiser.

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #116 on: April 29, 2015, 08:44:16 PM »
The picture of the old blue truck isn't very good but really looks a little different.
Thanks for the pic. I googled it earlier

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #117 on: April 30, 2015, 04:38:11 AM »
Boy, we sure have a lot of "experts" talking about this.  Let me chime back in 1 more time

I refer readers of this to KFOCI HANDBOOK.  There is a section in it about the Long Beach CA assembly plant where cars were put together (assembled, built, whatever you want to call it) from body shells, assemblies and certain items out of Willow Run as well as component parts procured from West Coast suppliers.  The item also identifies what months the plant operated as it sat idle for over 3 years before the first assembled cars came out of it in September 1949.  It was closed October-December 1949 and February-March 1950.  This section will also identify the simple ways that a Long Beach CA assembled K-F product (Kaisers and 1951 Frazers only, no HJ's) can be identified compared to cars built at Willow Run, finished at Jackson MI or assembled at Portland Oregon's assembly plant.

The Handbook is a CD and you get it as a perk for being a member of KFOCI with your new member information.  The current release version (Version 5.0) has around 1,000 pages of information on cars, company, and all kinds of other K-F or Willys related materials.  The item is not available for sale; also it should not be copied. 

The Long Beach facility was for a time also the home of the Southern California Division of Kaiser-Frazer Corporation.  This unit of K-F was one of several west coast based Kaiser interests that Henry J. Kaiser's son, Henry J. Kaiser Jr. ran. 

When K-F vacated the Long Beach facility, it ended up back in the plane business.  My contact at Boeing is not sure, but the building itself was either torn down for the Seal Point Industrial Park or is among the buildings Boeing still uses (some of the old Douglas buildings were acquired by Boeing & they build aircraft there, at least until September 2015).  One of the few pictures of the building that survived is in the Handbook item.

Earl Muntz may have turned out 1 of the 3 trucks credited to his Los Angeles operation.  The one I posted pictures of earlier is identified by HJK Jr. in his 1948 memo as produced by a body shop for the original K-F dealer in Long Beach.  A number of K-F dealers & distributors made pick-ups out of 4-door sedans (or later on, Travelers) using various degrees of complexity (one of the Milwaukee dealers just cut up the sedan body, locked the back doors and dropped a prewar Dodge pick-up bed on the chassis).

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #118 on: May 02, 2015, 09:40:02 AM »
Great info!
Thanks

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Re: Kaiser Frazer pickups
« Reply #119 on: May 02, 2015, 10:00:48 AM »
You guys have been helpful to say the least!
I have joined the club. Does the Handbook follow or do I gave to order it?
Thanks again
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