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HJ-ETEX

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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2010, 08:12:46 PM »
let's see if I can post a working link to an image. http://www.flickr.com/photos/k513/4498132707/
This is an Early K-F 226 engine mount plate (green) bolted on to a 51-55 Kaiser engine mount plate (red).
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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2010, 08:14:18 PM »
One more: http://www.flickr.com/photos/k513/4498782338/in/photostream/
GM 10SI Alternator in 49 K Vagabond
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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2010, 08:40:06 PM »
GM 10SI alternator on 51/52 K engine with simple bracket and bridge strap to use original tensioning bracket
http://www.flickr.com/photos/k513/4498205549/
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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2010, 07:24:49 PM »
Last summer I made an apparatus to fix the motor mount plate of a Kaiser 226 engine for the purposes of measurements. I posted a link to a 3rd version of that fixture yesterday  http://www.flickr.com/photos/k513/4498132707/
I expanded that apparatus into a full carriage to store and move a 51-55 Kaiser 226 engine.
1) Carriage front view without engine but with cat. http://www.flickr.com/photos/k513/4500861873/
2) Side view of empty carriage http://www.flickr.com/photos/k513/4500865691/
3) Side view of carriage with 51-52 Kaiser engine. http://www.flickr.com/photos/k513/4500870321/
The carriage is made from a single 10 foot 2X4 and 3 3 inch castors. The fittings are made from 3/16 inch X 2 1/2 inch flat steel and 3/16 X 1 1/2 inch L steel. This is suitable for storage and movement of the engine. In addition this can also be used for testing of rebuilt engines.
When not occupied by an engine, the carriage can be stored in against a wall in a small space or it can be disassembled into components.
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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2010, 07:37:30 PM »
You may not be aware but auto engines are angled downwards for several reasons. The brackets on the 226 engine carriage (http://www.flickr.com/photos/k513/4500870321/) were designed so the carb base is level front to back and side to side. The angle looks severe but it is the same as in the car chassis.
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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2010, 04:12:48 AM »
I have put i chevy 350 engine with 350 trany in my Kaiser 1952 Virginian.
i used a Hurst mount that you bolt in the front of the engine.
i had to build 2 new exhaust manifold because the steeringbox is mounting where the original manifold is going down.
I used the original trany mount for the th350 short model.
If you use the short model th350 you can have the stock cardan shaft.
I had to move the handbreak handle.
excuse my bad English I'm writing from Sweden

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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2010, 05:08:25 AM »

Here´s a picture on the engine that i put in my kaiser 1952 virginian

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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2010, 11:06:48 AM »
Kaiser_Jonas, Nice!!
  I was at an early ford econoline meet this last Saturday and was looking at what the guys had in there vans/pickups. Theres a nice ford 250 inline 6 that would fit nice in my 49 Frazer, but is it going to give me the HP I want/need? Maybe with an AOD trans?
  V8's look and sound nice but a 6 would fit easier. I just want a nice driver.
It looks like the HP is only 50hp more then a inline 6 on stock motors. The 226 has around 112hp

I asked around and got these numbers for ford motors...
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"Will, that's a tough one since there were several versions of each engine, and since the ratings depend on where and when you look.

In my 1966-72 Motors Manual the following are listed:

6-250 - 155 HP @ 4000 RPM, 240 ft-lb @ 1600 RPM (1969)

V8-289 (2 bbl) - 200 HP @ 4400 RPM, 282 ft-lb @ 2400 RPM (1968)

V8-302 (2 bbl) - 210 HP @ 4400 RPM, 295 ft-lb @ 2400 RPM (1968)

In the 1969 Ford Truck shop manual the following is listed:

6-300 - 165 HP @ 3600 RPM, 294 ft-lb @ 2000 RPM

These are gross ratings - later net ratings would be lower. Other years and different versions of these engines will have different ratings, but this is probably a fair set of numbers for comparison."


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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2010, 07:08:07 PM »
FrazerWill: When I first did a Kaiser motor swap, I figured it would not be of interest unless the swap had 50% more hp and the possibility of more. So...that required a motor with 180 hp. This excluded common 6 American 6s and pointed towards small block V8s.
Why 50%? That is what I figured was the max before you had to worry about weak brakes, rear ends, or the suspension.
$4 gas did have the effect of moving down these hp considerations so the large modern American 6s (Chevy 292 & Ford 300) become possible candidates.  The Chevy & Ford big 6s had hp ratings of around 175 hp on similar scales that rated the 226 as 115 hp.
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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2010, 07:36:32 PM »
After I did the Kaiser/Chevy motor swaps, I did a HJ for my brother. I used a Buick 231 (3.8L) V6 with a T50 5speed transmission. Unlike the Kaiser/Chevy swap, I never wrote about this because the engine mounts were more complex and the transmission crossmember was particularly involved because it also mounts the brake master cylinder. I couldn't write an article with templates so people could duplicate the parts in their driveways.This was also before digital cameras - or even the internet - so I couldn't post images.
The choice of the T50 was not satisfactory because 5th gear was only 10% OD and top gear needed to be 30% OD with the Dana 23/4.55 ratio rearend at least (30% OD x 4.55 = 3.00 final drive ratio).
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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2010, 08:41:47 PM »
At a KF Regional Meet, Bobby Roads brought a HJ with a Buick V6. Even though he had replaced the weak HJ Dana 23 rearend (4.55) with a big Kaiser Dana 44 Hydramatic  (3.30) he was unhappy with the rpms the engine was running on the interstate. After I saw it and did some research, I figured he could use a GM 200R4 trans instead of what he had, but by the time I talked to him again, he decided to switch the Dana rearend for an S10 rearend. The big Kaiser rearend also had the problem of putting the tires too close to the rear fenders as well which wasn't a problem with the S10. However, he then had mismatched wheels on the car.
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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2010, 12:27:13 PM »
KaiserBill used a 68 Chev Nova frame grafted to the 51-55 Kaiser frame at the firewall. He has pictures on his website showing how to do it. Most GM engines will fit this Nova chassis.

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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2010, 09:39:44 PM »
boatingbill would be referring to this:
http://www.kaiserbill.com/Nova-Sub-Frame/index.html
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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2010, 11:43:40 PM »
I am actually in the middle of putting a 292 Chevy and a 200r4 in my '51 Deluxe, I should have the preliminary engine installation done this time next weekend, so I will let you all know how well that worked out.

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Re: Engine Conversions
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2010, 01:53:21 PM »
I had a '51 frazer,bought new, that I drove over 300k and the base was never off. Innumerable valve jobs but that is because that exhaust valve beside the distribtor doesn't get proper cooling.