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General Category => Manufacturing Fund Forum => Topic started by: jake on May 29, 2019, 09:26:11 PM

Title: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: jake on May 29, 2019, 09:26:11 PM
You can order any thing on the list and pay 15% more for if your not a member?

Manufacturing Fund Form?

Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: Bulletin Editor on May 29, 2019, 10:42:38 PM
You can order any thing on the list and pay 15% more for if your not a member?

Manufacturing Fund Form?

Yes
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: kaiserfrazerlibrary on May 30, 2019, 08:06:49 AM
Having been a party to the launching of the Manufacturing Fund in 1980 at the National Convention in the Minneapolis MN area, I remember what Al Mc Cullough and others from the MN area had in mind.  They wanted to sell to all, but also wanted club members to get a break in order to give a bit more value to being a KFOCI member.  It was hoped that once the thing really got going (who ever thought we would be able to offer Windshields or Gas Tanks among other itemns over the years?) non-members would realize it was worth it for them to join the club and not pay the surcharge. 
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: G.B. (All Vinyl Dragon) on May 30, 2019, 10:41:21 AM
Yes,
Sounds Good to Me. Many want to be Your Friends till they learn Everything Parts & All then Sell.

Non Club Member should Pay Surcharges or Join The Club...
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: Gordie on May 30, 2019, 11:34:57 AM
In the past even members paid a one time fee of $10.00 to the Manufacturing Fund to be able to order parts.  I don't think that that would be applicable if you are paying a 15% surcharge as a non member.  Take a look at the wide range of parts that are available for a reasonable price.  The Manufacturing Fund is continually making needed parts for us.
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: G.B. (All Vinyl Dragon) on May 30, 2019, 11:42:27 AM
In the past even members paid a one time fee of $10.00 to the Manufacturing Fund to be able to order parts.  I don't think that that would be applicable if you are paying a 15% surcharge as a non member.  Take a look at the wide range parts that are available for a reasonable price.  The Manufacturing Fund is continually making needed parts for us.

Gordie,

I got Parts Few Years back from Manufacturing Fund. I may Need Gas tank soon. How do they know They Know We paid  ?

Guess I need to Check.
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: Gordie on May 30, 2019, 02:38:10 PM
The Manufacturing Fund maintains a list of all who have paid in the past.  Your name should be recorded.  Don't wait too long to order that gas tank.  They are expensive for us to make and only so many have been ordered and it may be a long time until they are run again.
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: jake on May 30, 2019, 09:31:32 PM
How do we find out if we paid the 10.00.  to the fund?
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: rrdcorvair on May 30, 2019, 11:39:09 PM
The $10 was a donation/contribution to help launch the program.  It was not REQUIRED to have the right to purchase parts.  That right came from being a member.  One doesn't have to prove the $10 contribution to buy parts from the Manufacturing Fund.  The 15% is required if not a member no matter how many times you buy something, and the reason the form requires your KFOCI membership number is to aid in confirming a current member.  I am sure Adam checks.  Former/non-current members have to add the 15% because, remember, the $10 was only a CONTRIBUTION, not a purchase of the right to buy.
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: jake on May 31, 2019, 12:16:32 AM
We paid the 10.00 to the fund..

We also paid to the darrin club also..

But now we can not get anything from them..
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: Bulletin Editor on May 31, 2019, 11:53:39 AM
We paid the 10.00 to the fund..

We also paid to the darrin club also..

But now we can not get anything from them..

Jake, you can "get anything" from the Mfg Fund by paying the surcharge, but if you want to "get anything" from the club or any Registry you must be a member.

CONSTITUTION Article 2 Section 5:  Membership in the club is required for membership in any Division, Region and/or Registry.
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: flamingchariots on May 31, 2019, 03:44:32 PM
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Jake, you can "get anything" from the Mfg Fund by paying the surcharge, but if you want to "get anything" from the club or any Registry you must be a member.

CONSTITUTION Article 2 Section 5:  Membership in the club is required for membership in any Division, Region and/or Registry.




Barbara, that wording is somewhat confusing to me.   
Does it mean that you have to be a member of the national club in order to be a member/participant in the local club?

Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: jake on June 01, 2019, 02:00:42 AM
I join the wpc club. and drop out  I get stuff from them if I paid or not..

I just paid my 2019 dues. I guess they just like a good turn out..
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: kaiserfrazerlibrary on June 01, 2019, 08:32:21 AM
I'm glad you like the Walter P. Chrysler Club as much as you do.  We will be sorry to see you depart from the KFOCI Forum. 

This is NOT the WPC, Buick Club, Cadillac/LaSalle Club...we are the KFOCI and we do things in accordance with what the majority of the memborship of our club wants, rather than some what some NON-MEMBERS think should be done.   

The Manufacturing Fund provides needed items that the regular mainstream parts vendors do not.  It is set up to encourage club membership by favoring members in regards to pricing.  It's been that way for nearly 40 years and the complainers seem to be people not club members. 
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: jake on June 03, 2019, 02:03:04 AM
Not sure how a kaiser membership  will benefits me.. It all about networking.. to find car parts.

Since not a lot of guys are restoring  the kaiser cars.. Not A high demand for parts..

I listed a few item in the newsletter not one thing sold..

I sold stuff in hemming s..  I know a 100.00 ad price is more than the club dues..  but I sold my item..

Jack I do like the wpc club in Omaha.. I go every year to their Christmas party.. They have great food..
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: Gordie on June 03, 2019, 07:16:03 PM
The $10 was a donation/contribution to help launch the program.  It was not REQUIRED to have the right to purchase parts.  That right came from being a member.  One doesn't have to prove the $10 contribution to buy parts from the Manufacturing Fund.  The 15% is required if not a member no matter how many times you buy something, and the reason the form requires your KFOCI membership number is to aid in confirming a current member.  I am sure Adam checks.  Former/non-current members have to add the 15% because, remember, the $10 was only a CONTRIBUTION, not a purchase of the right to buy.
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: Gordie on June 03, 2019, 07:30:50 PM
The $10 was a donation/contribution to help launch the program.  It was not REQUIRED to have the right to purchase parts.  That right came from being a member.  One doesn't have to prove the $10 contribution to buy parts from the Manufacturing Fund.  The 15% is required if not a member no matter how many times you buy something, and the reason the form requires your KFOCI membership number is to aid in confirming a current member.  I am sure Adam checks.  Former/non-current members have to add the 15% because, remember, the $10 was only a CONTRIBUTION, not a purchase of the right to buy.
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I don't remember when the first time I bought parts from the Manufacturing fund was but it was many years ago.   The one time contribution to the club was mandatory at that time or you did not get the parts.  The requirement was in the Bulletin for as long as I can remember and it certainly helped the fund grow.  You only paid it once.  Now as we open our parts source to non members of the club they have the option of joining the KFOCI or paying a 15 % surcharge which is usually a lot less than the members have paid for sixty + years.
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: rrdcorvair on June 03, 2019, 10:33:14 PM
We joined KFOCI in 1977 and I do not remember the 'Manufacturing Fund' being in existence at that time.  I think it was in the talking stage at that time and Art Griffin took on the job.  I stand by the volunteer $10 contribution, the discussion should be in the Secretary Minutes in one of the older Quarterly's as it was discussed and handled during a National meet.
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: Gordie on June 04, 2019, 05:41:24 PM
I picked a Bulletin at random, November 1994 and on the last page is Art Griffin's full page list of parts, "If you have never contributed to the Manufacturing Fund please add your one time only $10.00 contribution. + If you are not a member of KFOCI please add $20.00 membership".  As late as May 2017 the Manufacturing Fund still has the same $10.00 requirement in our Bulletin.
Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: Bulletin Editor on June 05, 2019, 11:05:37 AM
Barbara, that wording is somewhat confusing to me.   
Does it mean that you have to be a member of the national club in order to be a member/participant in the local club?

YES

Title: Re: Non Member Surcharge +15%
Post by: Bulletin Editor on June 05, 2019, 11:29:12 AM
The Manufacturing Fund provides needed items that the regular mainstream parts vendors do not.  It is set up to encourage club membership by favoring members in regards to pricing. 

Exactly. The Mfg Fund has new/unused parts that no one else is selling.

The surcharge for any purchase of $300 or more would cover the annual dues for a year plus the one-time Mfg Fund fee. And the more you order, the more you save. For example, gas tanks are $485 (+shipping) for KFOCI members, and $557.75 (+ shipping) for non-members. $485 + $35 + $10 = $530 ... you keep $27.75 in your pocket AND reap all the benefits of club membership, such as our award-winning publications, fellowship, voting rights, etc.