Kaiser Frazer Owners Club Forum
General Category => Kaiser Forum => Topic started by: 47trev on April 12, 2009, 06:03:58 PM
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I installed my edmunds high compression head on my 47 kaiser this weekend and the car runs great.
Im still looking for a dual carb intake manifold.
Thanks
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Please post a picture of it. We'd love to see it. Thanks.
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47trev,
Can you tell any HP increase?
How about how smooth it runs now from before?
I would still love to get the same set-up for my 49 Frazer...Carbs too..
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(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk135/Dafman600/0321091639.jpg)
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And yes i can feel the car has more power. the combustion camber was much different.
The car starts better and runs and drives better
it has great throttle response and doesnt smoke anymore.
Im a happy camper.
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Looks great, I have a few questions, 1. Why are your fuel lines going zig zag to the carb? just curious, 2. Why no in line fuel filter? 3. Is it the same carb, or a different one than factory? Looks nice, just curious, thanks for the pictures... ;D
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I'm guessing this is an attempt at preventing vapor lock which was is a common problem with KFs. Suppose the theory is the bends take it away from the exhaust heat a bit and keep from vaporizing in the tube.
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Nice looking engine. I like the copper color on the non-aluminum parts.
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I notched the back of the frame so the airbags would let it lay on the frame when parked so i had to make a new metal fuel line from front to back.
The only reason my fuel line goes back and forth was because i thought it looked cool and i was playing with the tubing bender.
I also have galvanize pipe for the heather hoses and have a copper pipe for the lower metal radiator pipe.
All my airbag lines are galvanize pipe and my air bag valves are regular ball valves.
I just like to be different
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Just want to thank the guys that keep an eye out for the intake manifold for me i was on vacation and wasnt even looking on ebay last week.
If it wasnt for the guys on here emailing me to let me know i would have never seen it.
I have the manifold and have ordered the 1 5/8ths exhaust tubing to make the header.
Now i just need the steel to make some header flanges.
Im not sure what kind of carbs i will be running so im open to sugestions.
What kind of carbs do you guys think i should run?
Im looking into Fish carburetors they are rare and work really good so they are not easy to find.
Trever
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Wow looks great,but be carefull with mixing copper with aluminium,bad things will happen!
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I'm guessing the "copper" is just paint. If not, Kenneth is dead right. Copper and aluminum get along like cats and dogs. Notice they don't sell aluminum wire for houses any more?
BTW, that was a fabulous find, Trev!!!
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47trev, I went to drool on your Edmunds intake and head and it's gone... Is there a place I can look now?
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Of course you know John Parker ran an Edmunds head and dual carb manifold on his 48K and drove it across the country several times. He eventually removed those components. I can not say why. However, I will say that aluminum erodes from antifreeze a lot quicker than cast iron. I have repaired 2 Chevy 305 engines with factory aluminum intakes that started leaking coolant because of eroded gasket surfaces. Don't assume you can "set it and forget it."
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I move some pictures around on my photobucket so it screwed up the links
Here is a link to my photo albums http://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk135/Dafman600/
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Terry Zeug has one of the heads on eBay now with a $400 opening bid and a $500 "buy it now" price. They have to be scarce!
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gordie, I was looking at it too and was wondering why one carb sits higher then the other...
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Im not positive but one carb higher than the other is generally for looks. I think it only works if both carbs feed all six cylinders. My edmunds manifold is split each carb only feeds 3 cylinders its really hard to get them tuned just right if the intake plenum were different sizes (if one carb was higher) i dont think i could tune them the same.The guy i bought my edmunds head from had a manifold with one carb higher than the other and he had a machine shop shave it off and make them equal.
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It looks like someone grabbed up the intake...It's not there anymore. Did some one save the EBay item # to see if its gone?
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Its gone i was watching it
Someone did a buy it now for $500
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I have this Edmunds twin carb intake. It's NOS never installed.
I'm a Willys PU Utility and Jeep enthusist/collector and have decided to install a McCullouch huffer.
Would trade the intake for a "nice" Kaiser VS57B supercharger set-up.
Would need the crank pulley, harmonic balancer, correct dizzy dwell, blower, engine mount with spring & carb box for trade. (complete)
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Trev...that Edmunds head & motor looks nice !
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It should be noted that while Edmunds heads were popular on various hot rods, the aluminum alloy of the day could be problematic over time because of combustion heat. K-F had this problem with their experimental aluminum V-8 motor. Also, as anti-freeze chemical composition changed over time, you had new corrosives introduced into the mix. It was for that reason that GM finally came up with DEX-COOL and even that has a problem (by around 100,000 miles or so, the stuff starts getting the consistency of cheese and begins to look like same).
We've run DEX-COOL in the Lumina from day one, we have over 216,000 miles on the car, and outside of the head deck problem at 105,000 miles (reflection of that 'cheese' thing) Barbara and I have had no problems with water pump, water lines or other coolant problems.
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One of these showed up at the Eastern Division meet last weekend. It's now in my garage...we'll see how the Traveler does with it installed!
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Regarding the different hights of the carbs, I understand that these engines were used in racing boats. These dual carb manifolds were designed for use in them. The engines were installed as such a severe angle to feed the prop that the dual carb manifold needed to have different length inputs to keep the carbs level. Thats what I was told, and I'm sticking to it.
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Edmunds tried to sell the heads to Kaiser-Frazer in volume and I have a copy of an inter-office memo with tentative wholesale and retail pricing of the item as an add on to the existing 226. K-F, of course, did not pick up the part. Sales in the 1950's were limited at best so they would indeed be rare today, given that typically heads installed went to the junkyard (and crusher) with the head still on it.
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I will remind readers that at one time John Parker ran a Edmonds head and manifold on his 48 Kaiser. I don't know about wear and chemical corrosion on the head (I suspect it was of concern) but mpg with the dual single barrel carb set up was horrible as compared to the stock setup and he eventually changed back to stock components. The legends do say he beat at least one speeding ticket because the cops didn't believe a 48 Kaiser could go 30 mph over the speed limit on an interstate.