Kaiser Frazer Owners Club Forum
General Category => Kaiser Forum => Topic started by: JoeKeys2010 on October 18, 2013, 09:30:01 PM
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Went under my Kaiser today and what a mess. Started cleaning grease and grime out from under it. Here are a few before and after photos on the driver side. Still have a long way to go. Does anyone know if all of this is supposed to be painted once I have it all cleaned off? I know the frame gets painted black but what about all of the steering and grease fittings?
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The entire chassis should be painted black. This included the steering and brake components, as well as the shock absorbers.
While I know it's a pain to remove...been there and done that...the grease did a great job of preserving everything!
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I'm still scraping grease and old paint off of the underside of my Kaiser. Today I noticed a wire coming out of the steering box. Most of the insulation was gone and the copper wire was green but it did have a plug on the bottom. I'll look tomorrow in the shop manual but does anyone know what the wire is for and where does it plugin at? I would assume it is maybe a wire for the back up lights (not even sure if it has back up lights).
One other thing I did notice a oil leak at the back of the motor at the transmission. Assume it I maybe a rear main seal leaking. It is just enough to notice. If it is the seal, I assume the motor will have to come out to fix it. Is that right and how difficult is it to pull the motor?
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That wire is probably the wire from your Horn Button ... goes to the horn relay.
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That sounds logical since the horn does not work. When I bought the car the guy told me that if you put power to the horns they sounded but that he could not figure out why it would not blow from the steering wheel. I have not tried to get the horn to blow. Maybe it will be as easy as plugging the wire in.
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Still scraping and cleaning the underside of the Kaiser. I have been on it for about 20 hours now. It was pretty nasty underneath. I have been using various scraping tools, gasoline, purple power. I probably have another 10 hours of cleaning under the engine before I can start painting. A nasty job that no one will hardly see, but I will know it is clean and freshly painted.
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Buy a couple closet door mirrors and Lay them under the car at car shows, let all the work be seen
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If you noticed bare, uninsulated sections on the wire coming out of the column, that could be why it was disconnected - if it rubs bare and grounds, the horn honks continuously. It's easy to pull a new wire if you have to.
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At long last the underside has been de greased. Now comes the task of painting everything. I have the correct engine color so it is just a matter of getting everything painted and then this part of the project will be over.
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Continue to work on the Kaiser. Inside of the passenger fender well I found an access plate held in by three screws. When I removed it you could really see the exhaust and motor good. At the front of the fender well behind the blinker/parking light it looks like there was once a plate there but now it is gone. I looked on the parts car but it did not have a plate there either.
Can someone look at the photo and tell me if an access plate was supposed to be there or not?
I have the block down to bare medal now and the underside is to bare medal. I'm in the fender wells now. There seems to be a think layer of undercoating that is a pain to get off. I nearly have everything on the passenger side down to bare medal but have not touched the driver side yet.
Slow going but will be worth it.
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I don't think I will ever be done. I removed undercoating from both finder wells. I am to medal again and almost ready to paint. I discovered the inside finders are Caribbean Coral and not black. It looks more like a thin coat, a little heaver than overspray but not a shinny coat like the body of the car. I assume that is correct. The parts of the inter fenders that are up against the motor seem to be black.
I hope to have the underside and engine box completed by Thanksgiving weekend.
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About the front park light housings, yes, there should be a cover in place. Of course, my 50K is in storage so I don't have pix handy, but I will take a pic or two this week when I swing by the garage.
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Both my car and the parts car is missing it. It might be something I could have fabricated, but if anyone knows were some are available I would be interested.
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Painted the underside today and the engine compartment. It's under heat now and in the morning I'll paint the fire wall and the fenders. Almost done with this part.
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Here are some photos of on the passenger side. Big difference. got the engine painted, the under frame painted and the firewall painted.
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I'm impressed...looks great!
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Here are a couple pix of the covers that fit in behind the park light housings on the 49-50K. Of course...the pictures posted sideways...but you get the idea!
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Wow! Looking good! That is, in my opinion, the worst part of restoration. Scraping and degreasing all of that crud and then painting it. Did you spray the paint or brush it on? What kind of paint? I used Chassis Saver(similar to POR15) and brushed it on. Man, was that a pain! It took me and my Dad two days under there with paint brushes. We were covered, head to toe, in that stuff too. And let me tell you, that rust encapsulating paint DOES NOT COME OFF! I think I'll spray it on next time. ;D
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I'm in the rail car repair business and have access to several different coatings for industrial use. The underside was painted with a DTM (Direct to Medal) epoxy which flow very good. The engine block I painted with an epoxy primer and used a urethane top coat. I mixed it until it matched what was on the oil pan. the fire wall I had mixed with a DuPont formula mixed at a PPG automotive shop. It matched perfectly to some paint that was left under the wheel well. I did paint it with the bushings installed.
This has been a nasty job, lots of gook and undercoating to remove. I have been on it (off and on) for over a month now. I have some components to put back on the engine, the starter, generator and radiator and then I'll post some photos of the engine compartment. I'm sure in all of it I painted something the wrong color or painted something that should not have been painted. Right now I am just proud to get it painted, the block, transmission, the under side, the inside fenders, firewall and trunk. I'd rather paint the outside three times over than do this again.
I am very very pleased with the outcome. Painting is always the reward for hours and hours of prep work. On now to the body and getting it back to a Caribbean Coral and then the seat covers and door panels.
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I sprayed it and was still covered head to toe in paint.
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Just had the gas tank vated and lined. I am ready to install in back under the car. Is it supposed to be painted black or does it stay the medal color?
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I've seen factory photos with them both ways. Most folks paint them black.
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Here is the gas tank, freshly vatted, lined and painted. Replaced all the gas lines from the tank to the pump. Scrapped the rear end, axle and sprngs and painted. the only thing left is the area between the rear end and the transmission. Then I can set her down again. Almost there!
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Looking good! I did the same thing to my 50 Traveler several years ago and feel your pain. It's alot of work...but well worth it!
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Here are a couple of shots under the hood after I stripped and painted everything. The firewall is Caribbean Coral as will be the body when I am done. I don't have the plate mounted on the firewall yet and I plan on changing the clamps to the old style ones; but for the most part I am through. If you see something in the picture I missed or painted wrong please let me know. I used several email, photos and this website to try to get everything right. I painted the windshield wiper motor and realize I should not have so I will strip the paint back off of it.
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A well detailed engine compartment goes a long way at a show. I detail all my cars and have had other members bring theirs to me to have them done. Yours is really shaping up nicely!
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Looks like I posted the same photo twice. Here is the second photo I took of the motor.
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I finally finished all the scraping, sanding and wipping today and now have the complete underside painted! I've also completed the engine compartment, trunk, fender wells and door jams. Other than the body itself, I still have the inside to paint. I think I would rather rebuild a motor than do the underside. It is near perfect and I am very pleased with it. I should have counted the hours I spent. It had failing undercoating besides grease and a small amount of rust in the floor pans. Bit at last the job is done.
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Here are the last of the pictures from the completed underside. It is a little shinny right now, but given I used a DTM epoxy it will lose it shine over time and turn more flat. If you look closely in one of the photos you can see my parts car. Just glad to be done with this part of the project.
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Started n 10/18/2013 sat her back down on four wheels 12/26