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General Discussion / Re: Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

« on: November 19, 2009, 10:59:35 AM »

Thanks!
What is the meaning of SCHED and ITEM NO? Does it have any relation to production sequence number (like another kind of serial number)?
Are there any resources (maybe updated) on 1953-1954 Kaiser production data? I have used the Standard catalog of American cars 1946-1975 (Krause) but I think there were too many mistakes.

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General Discussion / Re: Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

« on: November 18, 2009, 11:23:47 AM »

In this case, the 00 is the same as 100. Each slot was allotted 2 characters and so the '1' wouldn't fit. And, the RD is DR...if you're referring to the slot just to the right of 'I.P.'.

Not DR, but RD that goes after TR field.

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General Discussion / Re: Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

« on: November 17, 2009, 08:07:20 AM »

In the last post, the numbers for the trim and paint look to be swapped.

Thank you for the response. The numbers are written in ascending order.

AG (accessory group):
00 - (probably 100)

The plate shows 00 stamped, not 100 - http://serialnumberplate.com/data/img_plate/3120.jpg

RD = Is actually DR and at one time, it was thought to mean Delivery Region, but we're not so sure today.

Not DR, but RD - as it stamped on the plate - http://serialnumberplate.com/data/img_plate/3119.jpg


Again, thank you for help!

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General Discussion / Re: Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

« on: November 15, 2009, 11:03:12 AM »

I have some more Kaiser serial number plates - http://serialnumberplate.com/index.php?type=show_as&as_type=make&value=KAISER
Need help identifying following codes:
PAINT: 5030, 5302, 5303, 5308, 5313, 5321, 5322
TRIM: 097, 107, 227, 439, 442, 443, 462, 463
TR: 7 trim code
AG: 00, 32 accessory groups
IP: 29, 37 interior paints
And what do the fields RD and HR mean?

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General Discussion / Re: Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

« on: March 24, 2009, 01:34:43 PM »

The Henry J tag is authentic...

Thanks for the decoding.
About Henry J tag: they did not have body numbers stamped on the large plate.
Even if they had, the body number "1" should be much closer to the BODY NUMBER stamping.
And, the third thing, the whole lower part of the plate is remade or combined with other tag.

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General Discussion / Re: Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

« on: March 22, 2009, 03:22:37 PM »

Long ago I wanted to ask experts about two interesting plates.
One is Kaiser Traveller, other is Henry J.
I wonder if the Kaiser is fake. What are the codes' breakdown?
Text - http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Kaiser/
Plate image - http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Kaiser/1954KaiserTraveler-a.jpg

The Henry J convertible is fake, no doubt. What was the original car?
Text - http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/HenryJ/
Plate image - http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/HenryJ/HenryJ-NamePlate.jpg

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General Discussion / Re: Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

« on: March 18, 2009, 01:04:17 PM »

Here's the door tag off that same Henry J...

Thank you for the photo again and, of course, for the story.
I have found another Allstate plate on the internet: http://www.henryjcars.com/hjc49/eden/eden.html
Neither CAT NO nor BODY NUMBER at all.
P.S. Sorry, I can't upload images for some reason.

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General Discussion / Re: Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

« on: March 17, 2009, 02:22:12 PM »

Starting in 1951, Kaisers and Henry Js had a seperate body tag in addition to the data and serial (VIN) tags. The serial tag with the VIN which is between the door hinges...

Thank you for the photo.
I have never seen the door post tag. Can you post it's photo or the picture of the tag location?

One thing that's kind of cool about that is on some of the 1951 cars that were reserialed as 1952s (Henry J Vagabonds and Kaiser Virginians) they may have a K51x on the body tag but a K52x on the other two tags. I have a '52 Henry J Vagabond that's like that. It has '52 model numbers on the serial and data tags but a '51 model number on the body tag.   

I've read that they were sending the plates from the factory to dealers, who had to replace them manually. Imagine how many mistakes were made! 
As for Allstate, I am willing to see more plates with CAT NO, maybe some owners can post a photo?

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General Discussion / Re: Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

« on: March 15, 2009, 12:55:08 PM »

Regarding the Allstate tag, model 340 indicates it is a 1953, deluxe (6 cylinder) model...
...No information regarding 'CAT. NO 216' but I'd hazard a guess that since it was sold as a Sears product, it may refer to the 'Catalog item number', the number the car was listed as in the Sears catalog.

Thank you for such complete decoding.
I agree with the opinion about the "catalog number", the question appeared because this stamping is located where the "BODY NUMBER" on Frazers and Henry Js plates usually is.
I just may add some info from the 4th edition of Standard Catalog of American Cars (1997).
The 1953 six-cylinder Allstate is listed as "Model Number A340, Body/Style Number 215".
Since this catalog is full of mistakes, it's very likely that the model number was 216 instead of 215, or it was a modification.

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General Discussion / Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

« on: March 14, 2009, 12:25:47 PM »

Hello,
I collect serial number plates (www.serialnumberplate.com). I wanted to ask for:
1. Help to decode the numbers on these plates (paint, trim, options etc).
2. Can somebody tell what means the "CAT. 216" stamping on Allstate plate? Does it have any relation to serial number?
I hope this information will be helpful to K-F enthusiasts.
Kaiser: http://serialnumberplate.com/index.php?type=show_id&id=2792
Frazer: http://serialnumberplate.com/index.php?type=show_id&id=2788
Henry J: http://serialnumberplate.com/index.php?type=show_id&id=2789
Allstate: http://serialnumberplate.com/index.php?type=show_id&id=2803
Thank you.