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MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:51 PM »
Here is what is going on..

Engine fires up fine..
Long 1-2 hr. drive with a 1 hr. stop for lunch/dinner..
Fires again..
Short 1/2 hr. drive with short stop for icecream/soft serve
Fires up but suddenly stops in about 1/4 mile +/-
Will not start for 5-10 min., then is fine for drive home
Check things out--nothing found

next day...
Engine fires up fine..
Long 1-2 hr. drive with a 1 hr. stop for lunch/dinner..
Fires again..
Short 1/2 hr. drive with short stop for icecream/soft serve
Fires up but suddenly stops in about 1/4 mile +/-
Will not start for 5-10 min., then is fine for drive home
Check things out--nothing found

next day..repeat as above

so,  it appears that it doesn't like the stop for a sugary snack

I'm stumped.

Suggestions??

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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2017, 06:39:22 PM »
My first thought is during your short drive...when shut down an engine gets warmer before it starts to cool(ie...your longer stop allows more of a cool down...Not an expert on the cars, but same issue with lots of large commercial mowers for 20+ years when jumping from job to job quickly; tougher time to start than a longer trailer trip...vapor lock possibly. any work done on your fuel lines recently? Or, you could just order a larger sundae for a longer cool down period:-)
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 06:44:51 PM by njpatera »
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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2017, 07:00:40 PM »
I have over 9k miles since restoration--this is a new problem.
161 f-heads are not prone to vapor lock.

you are correct about hot soak rise in temp.
thought maybe coil problem as mine is the original Delco 1115385.
changed it out to a NOS Delco 1115380
same problem

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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2017, 07:34:32 PM »
Fuel✔️...I remember reading the 161's were not known for the vapor, that's why I asked about any fuel line work. Was thinking it may have possibly  been routed closer to the manifold catching more heat than normal....so that's one off the list...I would hit the coil next as it would be an obvious candidate due to age and can get squirrelly to heat with age. I hope it's that simple...fingers crossed🤞
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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2017, 09:20:41 PM »
Here is what is going on.................
Short 1/2 hr. drive with short stop for icecream/soft serve
Fires up but suddenly stops in about 1/4 mile +/-
Will not start for 5-10 min., then is fine for drive home.........

When it's stopping after the 1/4 mile.............. coughing, bucking & spitting............. or as if the ignition turned off?
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 09:22:59 PM by MarkH »
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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2017, 09:26:24 AM »
I changed the coil--did not fix problem.
car just stops, no sputter
that would suggest electrical
all connections are tight
properly timed
plugs are clean

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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2017, 11:30:59 AM »
Try changing the condenser. that would be an easy fix if it is the problem.
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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2017, 12:01:05 PM »
That is a head scratcher, especially the uneventful drive home after it fires up.

Maybe also make up a jumper with clips to power the coil directly if it dies on your next outing. That would point to either harness or engine next.
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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2017, 12:02:35 PM »
condenser
that was my next task
brings up a point...
is there really a difference in the various distributor capacitors, and why would there be?

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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2017, 12:29:56 PM »
The condenser is a certainly possible candidate for the engine suddenly stopping. Several years ago some friends went with us to a local rodeo. We made it about 3 miles when our '67 Galaxie just quit. I rolled it to the side of the road and fiddled with it for a while with no solution in sight. Then I stated to walk home to get another rig (this was before we had cell phones). I made it about a mile when the Galaxie rolled up behind me with my friend at the wheel. He had gotten it started after it cooled down and suggested the condenser might be the culprit. Drove it home, changed out the condenser and never had that problem again. Steve
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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2017, 12:39:49 PM »
Agree with the above^^^^^^ with next moving to the condenser...I cannot answer your question regarding distributor capacitors
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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2017, 12:51:32 PM »
condenser
that was my next task
brings up a point...
is there really a difference in the various distributor capacitors, and why would there be?

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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2017, 06:51:34 PM »
The coil wire could also be a culprit or bad wiring inside your distributor.  You could temporarily switch coil wires with your Henry J.  We are all waiting to find out what the problem is!
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Re: MY DARRIN HAS DIABETES
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2017, 08:40:41 PM »
Regarding the condenser and different distributors - it has more to do with the coil and point gap than anything else. A capacitor (condenser) is a storage device. It does not pass current and to DC it is an open switch.  Apply AC (in the case of a distributor it is actually pulsating DC) and the condenser (capacitor) looks like a closed switch. The higher the frequency (pulse rate) the less impedance the condenser has.  As you speed up and contacts open and close more rapidly, the DC pulse speeds up and the condenser  has less and less impedance.  The purpose of the condenser is to prevent the points from arcing as they open and close rapidly.  When the points close, they ground the primary side of the coil  and it builds a magnet field.  When the points open, the magnet field collapses and induces a current through the coil in the opposite direction.  Instead of this reverse current arcing through the points to ground, it sees the condenser as an easier path to ground, hence bypassing the points and preventing an arc.  Given the variance in the rate at which the points open an close, a few microfarads probably won't affect the operation too much.  A different number of windings in the  coil will affect the rate as well but again, probably not enough to notice and the worst that would happen is the points wear out a little sooner than normal.  Now, having said that, a shorted condenser will certainly prevent a car from starting as 324darrin describes. Some times heat will break down the "plates" in the condenser causing them to disfigure and form a short circuit preventing the car from starting. The condenser cools down, the plates inside it retract back to normal and the car starts right up.
I had it happen with my '51  Kaiser a couple of years ago - I'd drive it around and it would start missing, blubbering and eventually die.  Let it cool down and it started right up.  Drive it till warm and same problem. Replaced the condenser and problem has not returned.  I never had it happen due to short periods of the engine being shut off but I can see where it could produce that symptom as well.   
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