To judge our cars or not.

[Gordie]

It is true that Chrysler products used that style in the fifties but are they correct for Willys products also?  According to Google posts Chrysler products started using them in 1949.  By 1956 all Mopars went to 12 volt which still could have had the bullseye design.

[mbflemingkf]

I have 5 NOS  GE 4030 (6-8 volt) headlight bulbs for sale that are correct for our cars.  As Gordie stated, these are the smooth type that do not have the adjusting nubs.  If authenticity is important to you,  these are the real McCoy.

Priced very reasonably at $25 each plus actual shipping.  Not easy to find.

e-mail me if interested.  mbfleming@aol.com

Mike   

[kaiserfrazerlibrary]

If you don't want to have your cars judged, you don't have to.  This has been presented over and over again.  So, what is the problem? 

[njpatera]

From reading the responses, the problem was subjective judging...not following a given SET list of standards. I was just reading through some old bulletins and there was issues way back when simply judging the spark plugs...Now that is an obvious mess if you can't even agree on that!

[G.B. (All Vinyl Dragon)]

If I remember Auto-Lite A-7 for 53 Kaiser.
A-5 for Late 40’s ?

[kaiserfrazerlibrary]

Auto-Lite A5 was the standard equipment plugs for all Frazers and 1947-51 Kaisers.  During the 1951 model year, K-F went to the slightly higherheat A-7 which was used through production.  However there is a K-F Service Bulletin from 1951 that advises you can go back to the A-5 heat range plug if  you had at least 5,000 miles on the motor and having problems with vapor lock.  Willys product used Auto-Lite AL7 plugs or Champion J-8 with HJ's and the Darrins using A-7 plugs.  Allstates used the Allstate brand plug that matched specs of the A-7. 

Former Chief Judge insisted on the J-8 for ALL K-F products; strange he also sold J-8's because he coiuldn't get Auto-Liute plugs at wholesale.

[G.B. (All Vinyl Dragon)]

OK, This is True. Thank You Historian for Correct Information. This is what I was told & it’s True.

So, if You’re wanting to Do Original, that’s the Parts You need If it’s A Show Car.

 Daily Driver it’s What You think is The Best.

[Terry T]

Auto-Lite A5 was the standard equipment plugs for all Frazers and 1947-51 Kaisers.  During the 1951 model year, K-F went to the slightly higherheat A-7 which was used through production.  However there is a K-F Service Bulletin from 1951 that advises you can go back to the A-5 heat range plug if  you had at least 5,000 miles on the motor and having problems with vapor lock.  Willys product used Auto-Lite AL7 plugs or Champion J-8 with HJ's and the Darrins using A-7 plugs.  Allstates used the Allstate brand plug that matched specs of the A-7. 

Former Chief Judge insisted on the J-8 for ALL K-F products; strange he also sold J-8's because he coiuldn't get Auto-Liute plugs at wholesale.

The J8 issue was not the only aspect where many were lead done the wrong path by that former judge--remember  undercoating on Darrins?

[Dragon]

One National I used then A-7 and the Judge said I should use the J-8.  The next National I put the J-8s in before judging and they said it should be A-7.  This will never get corrected without documentation.  Does the club want correctness or do we want everyone to just say don't judge?

[njpatera]

Exactly why there is a need for a given/posted set list of standards and is adhered to. That way it will eliminate Most subjective tendencies

[G.B. (All Vinyl Dragon)]

Do We have a contact for A-7 Plugs ? I need some soon for Kaiser.

I have some A-5’s.

[Roadmaster49]

When a club gets to debating correct spark plugs, and that is a deductible point(s) then the club is going in the wrong direction.  That’s my opinion of course but I’m pretty sure it’s spot on.  Cmon!  You are seriously debating and having points deducted for a wear item!   

What about motor oil and bias ply looking radials as sold by Coker?   The list could go on and on of eye rolling extremes. 

Is there a chief judge and judging team for the club?  And when is deadline for the official judging manuals?   Even then, a judging manual needs to be a living breathing manual. By that I mean periodic corrections and additions. Since I’m not a member presently I have stayed out of this conversation. But 2 pages of spark plug debate was too much. 

[Doc]

Spark plugs, hose clamps, hoses & belts  lights....incredible the back-and-forth on this every year. I read a few years ago about about a big confrontation (not at a K/F meet) that dealt with the "proper" fasteners for a license plate.

[Gordie]

Many years ago at a Model A Ford Club of America meet the judging was really exacting and two cars came up for the best in show award and they were both almost perfectly restored.  The winner was decided by the water in the radiators.  One had coolant in the radiator which was not available or used by the factory at that time.  Our club is not quite as demanding as that but we are working on great Kaiser-Frazer guidelines that will be the final word on how our cars were manufactured and sold.  Everything in the new guidelines has been verified and we have documentation from Kaiser Frazer official paperwork to back it up.  If we are to continue judging we must do it correctly and that is our goal.  If you would like to contribute information or help in making up these new guidelines please contact our historian, Jack Mueller.  Help is needed.

[MarkH]

I've got a set of NOS Willys headlight buckets in factory boxes. They have 6V GE Sealed Beam All Weather bulbs in them, Part # GE5040S on the bulb backside. 
They also have a sticker on the front of the bulbs stating that the 6V bulbs need to be swapped to 12V bulbs for 12V systems, so I'm guessing they were made sometime after Willys went to 12V.