Serial number plates (Kaiser, Frazer, Henry J and Allstate)

[serialnumberplate]

In the last post, the numbers for the trim and paint look to be swapped.

Thank you for the response. The numbers are written in ascending order.

AG (accessory group):
00 - (probably 100)

The plate shows 00 stamped, not 100 - http://serialnumberplate.com/data/img_plate/3120.jpg

RD = Is actually DR and at one time, it was thought to mean Delivery Region, but we're not so sure today.

Not DR, but RD - as it stamped on the plate - http://serialnumberplate.com/data/img_plate/3119.jpg


Again, thank you for help!

[joefrazer]

In this case, the 00 is the same as 100. Each slot was allotted 2 characters and so the '1' wouldn't fit. And, the RD is DR...if you're referring to the slot just to the right of 'I.P.'.

[serialnumberplate]

In this case, the 00 is the same as 100. Each slot was allotted 2 characters and so the '1' wouldn't fit. And, the RD is DR...if you're referring to the slot just to the right of 'I.P.'.

Not DR, but RD that goes after TR field.

[joefrazer]

Hey...there is an RD there. That's another of the unknowns.

[ben-tex]

Jack Mueller has a discussion on these codes on pp 184-185 of his book. He states that RD is for radio (1947-48) or rear wiper (1951 up). He also indicates that no numbers are ever found on most of these codes.

[serialnumberplate]

Thanks!
What is the meaning of SCHED and ITEM NO? Does it have any relation to production sequence number (like another kind of serial number)?
Are there any resources (maybe updated) on 1953-1954 Kaiser production data? I have used the Standard catalog of American cars 1946-1975 (Krause) but I think there were too many mistakes.

[joefrazer]

The SCHED and ITEM NO slots were used to denote when, in a particular batch of cars, that particular one was built. A schedule was put together to build a particular type of car...2 door...4 door...blue...green...whatever. Then, once the schedule was ready, the number of cars to be built was determined...that's the item number. I forget the actual allotment, but for each schedule, a certain number of cars were constructed. Each schedule might take more than one day to complete, but generally, the item numbers were in the few hundred range. So, the lower the item number, the earlier in the schedule it was built.

[kaiserfrazerlibrary]

Hi,

The "CAT 216" refers to Sears catalog type 216 Allstate.  That is a 6 cylinder Deluxe with overdrive.  Pricing started at $1,876 FOB Willow Run.  Sears Employees got a 10% discount on new Allstates purchased.

State and local taxes, transportation, license & title fee, plus accessory items (heater, radio, etc) were also extra costs.

Jack mueller
Club Historian

[kaiserfrazerlibrary]

Hi again...

SCHED for cars built at Willow Run generally reflected a day's scheduled production ON THE BODY LINE.  The ITEM slot was the position during the schedule...the lower the number, the earlier on the particular day the body started down the fabrication line.  Numbers can run in excess of 1000 for ITEM (very late 1947, first work days of 1948).

SCHED #1 for Willow Run cars reflects the first day of the model year with a few exceptions:

1947 model year - approx. August 10, 1946
1948 model year - December 1, 1947
1949-50 model year - approx. August 28 1948
1951 model year - March 15, 1950
1952 model year - November 5, 1951 (somewhat a guess; have a letter from the factory that November 4 1951 was last day of 1951 model year)
1953 model year - approx. August 20, 1952
1954 model year - Oct. 21, 1953 (trade magazine reported start of production that date of 1954 Henry J automobiles at Willow Run; a handful of 1954 Kaisers were also produced during calendar 1953 at Willow Run.

[jerussel]

All,
Is there a book that can be purchased that gives all the decode information for the tags?

Thanks,
John

[kaiserfrazerlibrary]

The Henry J tag picture is most interesting...the one with the SPEC-FO of HJ-50.  Can anyone with this car send a photo of the exterior and interior?  It is a special order automobile that has non-factory paint (or at least not for a Henry J) and interior (again, not HJ fabrics, etc). 

Thanks,

Jack Mueller
Club Historian

[aeroj]

I have a 53 Corsair.....  can I give the codes for a breakdown?

[Fid]

Jack, I had not seen your post from 2009. Had there not been a recent post on this, I would not have seen this so 4  years later I will reply. The tag I posted with the SPEC-FO of HJ-50 and non-standard Paint and Trim is the car that was built for Edgar Kaiser. It's my icon next to my name. Interior is pleated black vinyl, and all black windlace and headliner. Even has a black steering wheel.

[kaiserfrazerlibrary]

Several things

For those interested the 2009 postings were put up before members got their copies of KFOCI HANDBOOK Version 4.0.  There is info on that CD that covers many of the questions/concerns in the various postings. 

Version 5.0 of the handbook will have more info on additional items brought up here. 

Non-members with cars are encouraged to join the club.  It's a great source of parts and technical support for the vehicles you have.

[aeroj]

I got my car,,,