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my block is orange?
« on: November 18, 2015, 11:19:50 AM »
Was ther a factory colour for the motor in the Kaiser supersonic? Mine is chev orange and idk if that is correct

Sorry to ask so many questions friends  but I do wish to complete restore  as if she drove off the  Ohio assembly line

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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2015, 09:27:33 AM »
The 226 was silver. Hope that helps.

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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 10:58:36 AM »
Silver was never used on the Kaiser 226 engine.  Paint color depends on model year year.  It can be green (different shades) , gray, or red

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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2015, 12:14:21 PM »
The F-head 161 cubic inch 6 used in the Willys vehicles was orange.

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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2015, 03:12:12 PM »
I will find the documentation where I got this and list it (it was factory documentation, Jack- I believe it was a service bulletin), but the 685 engine (161 F-head ) had:
blue block for low altitude export (below 5000 ft),
light gray block for high altitude export and low altitude domestic
yellow for high altitude domestic.

Cylinder heads were blue for low altitude export
black for high alt export and low alt domestic
yellow for high alt domestic.

Peripherals: Black for valve cover, starter, generator, air cleaner.
Natural metal: distributor, carburetor, exhaust manifold.
Engine color: timing cover, oil pan, bell housing, crankshaft pulley, harmonic balancer.

There was no orange block F-head engine. Where did you get your info?
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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2015, 10:52:38 AM »
The CYLINDER HEAD being different colors for different types of service (export, high altitude, etc) is quite correct.  I thought we were talking about the block.  My info also off service information was back when it first came out in the 1940's.  I had nothing to indicate colors changed from that time frame.

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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2015, 10:54:51 AM »
I had two Aero parts cars, both with 161 f engines and both had light grey blocks.

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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2015, 03:13:29 PM »
I was only quoting colors for blocks, heads and peripheral attachments for 1952-1955 Willys Aeros with the F-head 6-161 made in Toledo or Maywood, CA. I do not know the prior wagons, trucks and Jeeps. Jack - you are probably correct about them. The F-head 6-161 was a new engine, introduced with the Aero Wing. There is also an F-head 4-134 available in Jeeps, trucks and some export Aeros. The F-head 4 was available before the Aero was introduced and maybe that was orange, I do not know.
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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2015, 03:18:17 PM »
So most of the Aeros with the F-head six that we will run into will be low altitude and therefore light gray blocks. The thing I find strange is that they should also have black heads and every car I can remember had a light gray head as well. I do not recall ever seeing a black head. So would that make every Aero incorrect based on factory documentation when, apparently, the documentation is incorrect?
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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2015, 08:43:11 PM »
Are you talking head or valve cover ?

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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2015, 10:23:30 PM »
The '52/'53 parts book lists cylinder heads in blue, black & yellow and engine assemblies in the same colors as well as the light gray. I have 2 engines, one with a gray head for sure, plus another head, definately gray. The only other colors I've seen is an orange Brazilian Jeep engine, Brazilian Aero engines in red, blue, green and aqua(restored).

Speaking of the light gray, it almost seems like a cream. Anyone ever found something close, or duplicated it?
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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2015, 02:53:56 PM »
Back in the early 1980's, when John Parker and I overhauled my F-head 6, he repainted it a cream color which looked nice and accurate, but, as it turns out, is incorrect. He said it was pretty close and I seem to remember that it did look like the block that we removed, which was the original engine. I never lost points at a KFOC Nat'l, but then, who really knew?
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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2015, 08:19:07 PM »
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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2015, 10:38:14 PM »
Back in the early 1980's, when John Parker and I overhauled my F-head 6, he repainted it a cream color which looked nice and accurate, but, as it turns out, is incorrect. He said it was pretty close and I seem to remember that it did look like the block that we removed, which was the original engine. I never lost points at a KFOC Nat'l, but then, who really knew?

 Cream certainly seems a lot closer to describing what I'm seeing, especially when compared to something like Ford gray or any other engine gray. Nothing I'm seing so far in engine paints is close.
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Re: my block is orange?
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2015, 02:31:56 PM »
This 52 Ace appears to be pretty stock.....the F161 is blue  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Willys-Aero-Ace-/111860924880?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1a0b6e41d0:g:wTgAAOSwt6ZWVMX8&item=111860924880

According to the VIN, this car is a standard-issue 1953 Aero Ace 2-door sedan for domestic use. The blue block is for a low altitude export car, which this is probably not. Curiouser and curiouser.
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