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Front Wheel Drive Kaiser??
« on: September 14, 2020, 08:04:19 AM »
Saw this in a Hemmings blog, read about the Front Wheel Drive Kaiser towards the end.   I've read about it before, thought this would generate some more interest!!


https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2020/09/12/four-links-mazda-bongo-classic-refuse-trucks-vauxhall-exhibit-kaiser-front-wheel-drive?refer=news&utm_source=edaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-09-13
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Re: Front Wheel Drive Kaiser??
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2020, 12:25:32 PM »
This story is not exactly true but the original Kaisers were planned to be front wheel drive.  The extra weight on the front end made steering difficult and Borg-Warner wanted a fortune to develop a good front wheel drive system and as the new Frazers were nearing announcement time Joe Frazer convinced Kaiser to just change a few things on the Frazer and call it a Kaiser which they did and that is why the cars are almost the same.  The original Kaiser was a little smaller and you can find images and the story about it in books abut K-F.  At least one of the front wheel Kaisers was built and road tested by a popular automotive journalist who found the Kaiser as it was built not usable as it was at that time.  The prototype was destroyed and possibly discovered in a wrecking yard near Detroit but it has disappeared and would be quite a find if ever it turned up somewhere.  I believe that the body was aluminum. The early K-F sales catalogs and advertising illustrated the front wheel drive cars in all of their early advertising.
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Re: Front Wheel Drive Kaiser??
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2020, 09:42:17 AM »
That's the story as told in The Last Onslaught On Detroit,

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Re: Front Wheel Drive Kaiser??
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2020, 12:01:17 PM »
During World War II, Henry Kaiser set up the "hobby lobby" engineering unit to work on possible products fot the Kaiser organization to produce after the war.  Many of the projects were automobiles developed in accordance with specifications set dowy by Henry J. Kaiser himself.  When Kaiser-Frazer was formed in 1945 and Willow Run was secured, the automobile work moved to Michigan.  The cars that were underdevelopment for the Kaiser project were smaller cars but Henry wanted a full sized car, using the design of the Frazer car as a base.  By the end of 1945, the project changed from a smaller car (to meet Henry's desired price point) to the full-sized  front=wheel drive car with torsion-bar suspension and unit body construction.  The prototype was shown to the public at the Waldorf-Astoria in New York City during late January 1945.

Unfortunately, there were problems with the special transmission the drivetrain required, the front suspension system, and the car required a power-assist because of the weight on the front wheels.  It was decided to replace the K-85 with a model based on the entire Graham-Paige Frazer platform, which was announced in May 1946 as the Kaiser Special.  The two prototypes were scrapped in 1946 and finally went to the crusher in the early 1960's.  Here are some pictures of the vehicle.  The magazine ad (the first color ad run by Kaiser-Frazer and Graham-Paige) was the last ad to feature the K-85 by name.

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Re: Front Wheel Drive Kaiser??
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2020, 01:40:23 PM »
Henry used to drive and own a pre-war II Citroen which he enjoyed and admire thus the desire to have a front wheel drive car of his own.  The prototype Kaiser was slightly smaller then the production Kaiser and Frazer but looked very much like the production Frazer.  The early productions  Kaisers had different grills ands bumpers as the early ads will show.
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