Author Topic: Another 51 two door  (Read 5439 times)

Mr Manhattan

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 432
    • View Profile
    • Email
Another 51 two door
« on: March 05, 2015, 06:25:29 PM »
http://eastidaho.craigslist.org/cto/4916258522.html

They just keep coming out of the wood work )

Roadmaster49

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1343
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2015, 09:04:19 AM »
So no rear quarter glass makes this a rarer club coupe if I remember.   Also no Manhattans in 1951 Kaisers.

No old cars owned.

Gordie

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2495
    • MSN Messenger - gordies1@verizon.net
    • AOL Instant Messenger - Gordie
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2015, 01:06:37 PM »
This one is a deluxe club coupe but it seems  to have special bumper guards on the rear and it has bucket front seats.  Not a bad looking car and a tempting price. Most of the club coupes seemed to be automatics from the factory.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2015, 01:09:22 PM by Gordie »
Member #3151 Since June 1974
Vice President K.F.O.C.I. 2013-2017  President 2018-2019
'47 Graham Paige Frazer                                   
'51 Kaiser Deluxe club coupe       
'51 Kaiser customized convertible 
'52 Allstate serial#39
'53 Aero Eagle
'54 Aero Eagle Custom

Roadmaster49

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1343
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2015, 09:52:25 AM »
In my opinion, this one is gone forever. Meaning it won't be restored and it won't be finished. It will sit right where it's at for another 20 years and then the widow will pass away and the kids will auction this off non running for $500, maybe.

It looks hacked up, an electrical nightmare.  WE as a KF community know of it's rarity and would like to see it saved but to restore you would have to undo the seats and upholstery, strip this car to the chassis and start from scratch.

Wouldn't you have to source a rare front split bench seat?  I hope they saved it and stuck it in the garage somewhere, but I doubt it.

For the most part the KF restoration community is not ambitious to over pay for a rare car like this to "save" it.  Typically we will let these cars sit, overpriced, and they will end up crushed someday. 

No old cars owned.

boatingbill

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 495
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2015, 10:32:43 AM »
It looks like they replaced the engine and steering column and then tried to figure out the wiring. The wiring looks like a mess, A
donor Kaiser steering column and new wiring harness would just be the beginning. If the car could had very reasonably it could
be saved. I doubt it will as I have seen similar projects where someone takes a car/boat/pane apart and then gives up. A car like
this will find few takers and I wish there was a way the KFOCI could save it.

Roadmaster49

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1343
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2015, 07:27:37 PM »
boatingbill

Your comments are right on. I did not notice the steering column.  This guy got in over his head, then added up his costs, doubled it and now would be offended by a realistic offer of $1000.   I am not saying $1000 covers his costs, his costs are probablt over that but to undo what he has done would mean Dragon like money to save an admittedly rare car.

Just because it is rare does not make it desirable BUT most of us agree this is a nice 2 door early 50's club coupe. As a Buick guy, I can tell you this 2 door club coupe is much more attractive then a 51 Buick club coupe or Pontiac or Chevy.

Dang it.  It doesn't help it is so far away. 
No old cars owned.

Barnum

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2015, 07:42:59 PM »
 As far as being hacked up.....it is a conversion never intended to be stock. One would need to speak with the seller to know if it runs and drives.Wiring is not that hard to sort out. If it does, it would be a pretty nice driver for that price.
1968 Buick Skylark Convertible
1954 Aero Eagle
Taylor Brugman

StillOutThere

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 59
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2015, 07:52:53 AM »
I have purchased this car and it is in process of transport.   Haven't had a Kaiser since selling a '54 Henry J in 1982 !
'34 Terraplane convertible coupe
'51 Kaiser Deluxe coupe
'52 Spohn Palos cabriolet
'53 Nash-Healey
'57 Chrysler 300C convertible

boatingbill

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 495
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2015, 10:21:07 AM »
StillOutThere: We are here to help you any way we can. Good to see that you saved this car.

51Deluxe

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 296
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2015, 08:14:32 AM »
Congrats on the purchase Still Out There! I agree with Barnum, the wiring may look a bit of a mess, but looks can be deceptive. I've seen wiring that looked similar thirty minutes before being turned over to the new owner on the show Overhaulin'. And if you keep the V-6, you'll be cruising the interstate while we "original" guys take the side roads.

Corsairdeluxe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 811
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2015, 09:08:20 AM »
The Buick V6 is an excellent fit in a Kaiser. It has a center oil pan sump that gives good tie rod clearance. The Chevy v8 has it's in the rear and is trouble. It also has a front mounted distributor unlike the v8's rear mount that sometimes requires firewall modification. This is Paul Harrelson's Henry J with a Buick V6.He said it was an easy fit. It also has a S10 rear end that Paul said was almost just a bolt in change. Paul also has a 51 Henry J restored to the height of craftsmanship. He showed them both at  KFOCI meet at the Turkey Trot in Daytona.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2015, 09:16:01 AM by Corsairdeluxe »
Jim Brown aka Corsairdeluxe
#3559
10 Henrys and 1 ALLSTATE
behind me. J less at the moment and having irrational thoughts.

StillOutThere

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 59
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2015, 09:29:26 AM »
Thanks for the encouragement and comments.   Probably like most I have strong and weak "suits" when it comes to what I can do with a car.   My weakest is the electronics so when I opened the front door and was greeted with the attached scene it was disheartening.   

I'll have other questions and comments as I get into this.   I have been informed the rear of this car is wearing one "Special" bumper guard (and one not chromed in the trunk) so I am looking for a very nice pair of Deluxe rear guards.
'34 Terraplane convertible coupe
'51 Kaiser Deluxe coupe
'52 Spohn Palos cabriolet
'53 Nash-Healey
'57 Chrysler 300C convertible

joefrazer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4043
    • View Profile
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2015, 10:44:20 AM »
Undoing and then redoing someone else's work on a customized car is always challenging. My 54 HJ had alot of patchwork wiring in it for things like extra lights, an aftermarket heater and other stuff and I finally resorted to removing the entire harness and starting fresh. It's turning out to be much less work than guessing what the PO was trying to accomplish.

Keep us informed...we'll help where we can!

Roadmaster49

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1343
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2015, 11:49:36 PM »
I'm curious, how much did you pay for it?  The car was over priced and we seldom find out what a car ACTUALLY sells for.  How far down did the seller come on price?
No old cars owned.

StillOutThere

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 59
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Another 51 two door
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2015, 06:48:42 AM »
Getting more familiar with the car.  The wiring jungle is largely related to the late '60s Ford power steering and tilt wheel column.  Wiring for turn signals, ignition switch, bright lights (I think), and cruise control.  Then the K lower chrome controls panel was never reinstalled and all its attachments including e-brake remain loose.  It can be sorted out.

Y'all know the asking price that was in the ad.  Comments in this thread ran from "a tempting price" for desirable model to "gone forever, hacked up", unrestorable, as they do on many cars discussed in this forum.  I'll tell you he came down.  But the reason you very seldom hear actual selling prices is partly because it is private information for both the seller and the buyer and also because it is therefore impolite to inquire.   

Perhaps some need to consider that a hobbyist like myself sees nothing damning about a collector car with some modifications to make it more drivable, safer, better mileage, more comfortable, etc.   A car which outwardly, to the public, maintains Kaiser awareness, Kaiser presence, evokes "Kaiser in the family" memories should not receive insults, should it?     

Thanks to those with a broad hobby perspective, offering positive comments, willing to help where they can.
'34 Terraplane convertible coupe
'51 Kaiser Deluxe coupe
'52 Spohn Palos cabriolet
'53 Nash-Healey
'57 Chrysler 300C convertible